Re: Mind's Eye Re: Newtown Killings

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On 23 Dec, 18:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> it would be a new system..  one to be created,,  you are fighting the
> NRA   (pain in the butt)  this is the only way I can see that you can
> avoid them saying you are interfering with the right to bear arms..
> this way you have the right to own any gun  only difference is you
> have to pay taxes every year on that gun..    those that have great
> hordes of weapons   would have to pay an annual taxes that would
> discourage this type of activity with out eliminating the right to
> bear arms..
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> as for the revenue as it would be a new revenue source  how it is
> split would be created..
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> I can see the NRA  saying we don't want to pay taxes  getting them far
> away from their comfort zone..
> and you are right  the time to strike is now.,,   this idea is new?
> but feasible and it would get control of assault style weapons via
> taxes and the  requirement to register all weapons you can not be told
> that you are picking on one style of gun..  and part of the law could
> include seizure of all un registered weapons..
>
> just a thought
> Allan
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> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I can't pretend to know anything about federal revenue streams, Alan, but do
> > understand that whatever the system, including the current one or lack
> > thereof, we all pay.  The Sunday talking heads here all had much to say on
> > the subject.  This time something may be done before interest fades.
>
> > On Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:18:40 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> >> I was thinking Molly is require the registration of all guns and
> >> pistols and tax them based on the danger to society   with say single
> >> shot guns to the lowest rate to fully automatic and statistical
> >> weapon..  you are welcome to own them  they have to be registered and
> >> taxes have to be paid yearly and that tax not be used to lessen other
> >> taxes..  it would serve to lower the desirability and at the same time
> >> raise revenue for other things like providing for police forces and
> >> school protection,
> >> Allan
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> >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Determining funding is always the best first step.  Allowing facilities
> >> > to
> >> > opt in and out, based on their current security is essential.  An
> >> > estimated
> >> > one third of US schools currently have armed security.  I didn't think
> >> > much
> >> > of it knowing that the high school my kids attended had one full time,
> >> > and
> >> > sometimes more, local police on duty, along with other unarmed security.
> >> > The guy that worked full time at the school was a friend, and felt
> >> > himself
> >> > fortunate to have the assignment.  He was a kid at heart.  A good cop
> >> > too.
>
> >> > On Sunday, December 23, 2012 2:47:58 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> >> >> ammunition also
> >> >> Allan
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> >> >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hmm an annual tax on all guns might be nice and any not registered
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > taxation  an immediate confiscation,,
> >> >> > Allan
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> >> >> > On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 5:39 AM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> I can't think of it at the moment James.  In one amazingly stupid
> >> >> >> episode in Northern Ireland our government went in for disarming -
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> disarmed the police.  Ludicrous as this was, the 'Troubles' in the
> >> >> >> late 60s/early 70s can rightly be described in part as a police
> >> >> >> riot.
> >> >> >> 20 years of horror there could have been averted had we been able to
> >> >> >> take the realities to heart as Molly suggests.  The NRA farce
> >> >> >> reminded
> >> >> >> me of our Parliament grilling managerial clowns from Google,
> >> >> >> Starbucks
> >> >> >> and Amazon on tax avoidance - with them all claiming the highest
> >> >> >> ethical standards - none of them 'knew' any details of where the
> >> >> >> offshore money is, how much there is and how a company selling
> >> >> >> coffee
> >> >> >> can manage not to pay corporation tax in the country they sell it
> >> >> >> in.
> >> >> >> The managers were clearly patsies put up to evade revealing the
> >> >> >> details - the politicians such dupes they had got the wrong people
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> couldn't present an analysis of the books.  The Starwucks twerp was
> >> >> >> issuing propaganda on 'job creation' as though big companies like
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> don't really trash more jobs in the competition.
>
> >> >> >> How will we raise the money for more cops Moll? - we need more here
> >> >> >> too for equally pressing reasons.  A tax on the gun owners?  In
> >> >> >> economic terms we are in the realm of externalities - gun purchase
> >> >> >> doesn't include payment for the problems they cause - not dealing
> >> >> >> early with our crooks and 'mad' people transfers the cost to victims
> >> >> >> and so on.  I think we should be dealing with these issues by
> >> >> >> expanding civil society.
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> >> >> >> On 23 Dec, 01:55, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>> The best explanation I heard was the spokesperson who issued that
> >> >> >>> tirade
> >> >> >>> on Friday was a patsy, at best hiding behind the shield of popular
> >> >> >>> opinion of the NRA servicing the lunatic fringe, while doing untold
> >> >> >>> damage to the members they are supposed to represent (of which,
> >> >> >>> opinion
> >> >> >>> polls appear not to be mostly lunatics, nor in agreement with NRA
> >> >> >>> policy
> >> >> >>> positions), is in fact on the take from special industry interests,
> >> >> >>> and
> >> >> >>> at worst all-of-the-above without an ounce of reservation or
> >> >> >>> conscience
> >> >> >>> other than to lobbying interests. Triple agent theories aren't
> >> >> >>> worth
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> energy, greed and ignorance sums up DC nicely indiscriminately IMO.
> >> >> >>> Who
> >> >> >>> would be in the best position to rile up fear among large
> >> >> >>> populations
> >> >> >>> and get the gov't to move it's pieces in line, who stands the most
> >> >> >>> to
> >> >> >>> gain? Does a rhetorical question require a question mark?
>
> >> >> >>> Shame indeed Molly. This guy is probably destined to get canned
> >> >> >>> within
> >> >> >>> a
> >> >> >>> year, and leave with a little severance bonus and a nice handful of
> >> >> >>> chips to play in the next round of dupe the morons. Organized crime
> >> >> >>> has
> >> >> >>> a nasty word for it I can't remember, lend me a hand Archy?
>
> >> >> >>> On 12/22/2012 8:02 AM, Molly wrote:
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> >> >> >>> > I agree, Alan.  there are issues with types of guns, number of
> >> >> >>> > guns,
> >> >> >>> > guns accessible to folks with documented mental instability.
> >> >> >>> > Right
> >> >> >>> > to
> >> >> >>> > bear arms is important.  Right to own arsenals is another story.
> >> >> >>> > As
> >> >> >>> > is right to carry into places that make others vulnerable because
> >> >> >>> > of
> >> >> >>> > it.  The NRA isn't far off, I think, on its position that if
> >> >> >>> > schools,
> >> >> >>> > hospitals, stadiums etc need armed police then they should have
> >> >> >>> > them,
> >> >> >>> > instead of giving everyone who walks in the building the right to
> >> >> >>> > carry.  However, the NRA, as usual, is using the tragedy to push
> >> >> >>> > their
> >> >> >>> > agenda, and have the money to do it.  I have always found this
> >> >> >>> > unconscionable. Will never forget one of their political campaign
> >> >> >>> > flyers that had a picture of the US President in the sight of a
> >> >> >>> > gun.
> >> >> >>> > Unacceptable.
>
> >> >> >>> > On Dec 22, 3:54 am, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> if the adults were running toward the killer then they must be
> >> >> >>> >> kretes
> >> >> >>> >> because hero fight like kretes..   and that is what they truly
> >> >> >>> >> are
> >> >> >>> >> not
> >> >> >>> >> some one putting their own life first and hiding away..  No one
> >> >> >>> >> has
> >> >> >>> >> any business with assault rifles including all military..all
> >> >> >>> >> military
> >> >> >>> >> world wide.
> >> >> >>> >> Allan
>
> >> >> >>> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Don Johnson<daj...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >>> The truth is we can't protect against insanity. We can't do it
> >> >> >>> >>> against
> >> >> >>> >>> crazed Muslims chasing 70 virgins in Paradise and we can't do
> >> >> >>> >>> it
> >> >> >>> >>> from
> >> >> >>> >>> unsocialized mentally disturbed malcontents. We meaning society
> >> >> >>> >>> as
> >> >> >>> >>> a
> >> >> >>> >>> whole of course. Without the guns perhaps this young man would
> >> >> >>> >>> have
> >> >> >>> >>> chosen a bomb or a fire or sarin gas as an outlet for his rage.
> >> >> >>> >>> More
> >> >> >>> >>> laws will have zero effect on this kind of tragedy. There was
> >> >> >>> >>> an
> >> >> >>> >>> assault rifle ban in '94 that lasted 10 years and had no effect
> >> >> >>> >>> whatsoever on gun violence.
>
> >> >> >>> >>> Could this have been prevented? Well sure. Any number of things
> >> >> >>> >>> could
> >> >> >>> >>> have been done differently to avoid what happened and those
> >> >> >>> >>> survivors
> >> >> >>> >>> familiar with the situation that led up to the tragedy will
> >> >> >>> >>> likely
> >> >> >>> >>> destroy themselves thinking "what if." Life is full of "what
> >> >> >>> >>> ifs."
> >> >> >>> >>> I
> >> >> >>> >>> am thinking particularly of the father of the assassin here. No
> >> >> >>> >>> sane
> >> >> >>> >>> parent could avoid feeling culpable here. The suffering around
> >> >> >>> >>> this
> >> >> >>> >>> shooting is unimaginable to me.
>
> >> >> >>> >>> My understanding is that most of the adults killed were running
> >> >> >>> >>> TOWARDS the killer when they were shot down. They must have
> >> >> >>> >>> known
> >> >> >>> >>> they
> >> >> >>> >>> would be killed but it may
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