Re: Mind's Eye Re: Newtown Killings

 The undercurrent of violence leads to all of us becoming suspect.

Yes, indeed.

On Dec 16, 12:22 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The debates/action seem to have gone nowhere Molly.  One can even
> wonder whether collapsing lobby power and vast money in US politics
> would help by preventing the NRA targeting politicians wanting to make
> the anti-stand.  The speed of our response to similar incidents in the
> UK has been very poor and I favour more weapons being carried by our
> police (though some idiot cop attacked a blind guy with a Taser
> recently, claiming his white stick was a Samurai sword).  The
> undercurrent of violence leads to all of us becoming suspect.
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> On Dec 16, 3:10 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > the concept of more guns less death is totally erroneous, many people
> > especially those that have to have many guns have a problem..  My job
> > required me to carry a pistol and it was concealed,  Truth is I hated
> > it.. and was written upon more than one occasion for not carrying my
> > weapon.the truth is if you kill some one you can never give it back..
> > if you cause injury it is permanent.  anyone wanting to carry a
> > concealed weapon is really not all there I am sorry.
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> > I still love target practice and go through about 500 pellets a
> > month,,  my pistol now is a little pump crosman .177 and it is a blast
> > I have more fun sitting in my back yard plinking away and my yard is
> > only 12 meters long..  my wife and I have a competition going..  we
> > don't miss and the groups are a tight as the pistol is capable of.
> > the truth is It is far more fun than I have ever had with any of the
> > guns I have owned ..  and the cheapest..  to allow nuts to carry
> > concealed weapons..   no wonder I like it over here..
> > Allan
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> > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I suspect that this is one of those Michigan issues that James was
> > > referring to as there is legislation before the governor now that
> > > would extend the right to carry laws currently on the books to include
> > > those facilities now excluded like arenas, convention centers,
> > > hospitals, schools etc.......
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> > > I completely agree that the problem is not with the guns, and that
> > > agendas are being driven at every opportunity.  But I must say, as one
> > > working in a facility that may host 100,000/day, that anyone
> > > discharging a firearm at any time would create crowd control issues
> > > wherein a multitude of folks would die or suffer injury from causes
> > > other than gunshot.  The equation that more guns=less death is indeed
> > > questionable.  Whether or not we will ever be able to eliminate crazy
> > > is also.  Answers don't come easy, and we often spin our wheels
> > > looking for them rather than making any real progress,
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> > > On Dec 16, 7:43 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> It's impossible to think about tragedies like Newtown without just
> > >> wishing they didn't happen and sorrow for the victims and bereaved.
> > >> In western Europe we tend to see such events as American and a result
> > >> of lunatic gun control.  A fair representation of this thinking can be
> > >> found in today's Observer - a liberal Sunday broadsheet.http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/16/newtown-shooting-...
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> > >> The gist is one in ten thousand will die through firearm use in the US
> > >> every year with more deaths than in Syria in its civil war.  Arguments
> > >> on this issue quickly degenerate with some saying the answer is to arm
> > >> more decent people (so they can shoot the creeps and limit damage) or
> > >> the right to bear arms to protect democracy from government.
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> > >> The real question is how we can stop scum, creeps, nutters and people
> > >> pushed over the edge from using violence against others.  We are all
> > >> frankly wide open to this and the problem of what happens to our
> > >> societies because of measures taken in prevention.  I wonder whether
> > >> answers to this may be well outside gun law and the NRA opposition to
> > >> it - this 'debate' has, after all, gone nowhere forever - much as we
> > >> have not prevented our governments pursuing imperialist wars or race
> > >> to the bottom global economics.
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> > |_D Allan
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> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> >  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.

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