Re: Mind's Eye The language of thinking

Linguistics has long held that language sets perimeters for
consciousness, and that multi lingual people have a more flexible
approach because of expanded vantage points. Then Marshall McLuhan
came along and proposed that the speed in which we access information
determines the speed of consciousness raising - something to posit. I
haven't heard anyone dispute the idea and technology continues to
advance at such a rate that we can't get the stuff to market and
people using it before it is obsolete. We are constantly adapting to
it and accessing information through it, especially information on how
to use it...

I think with being alive there are parts of us formed by language and
culture and experience. And parts of us remain unformed, without need
of thought or feeling, yet purely alive and keenly aware. Some folks
have a real genius for knowing how it all works.


On Jan 6, 10:53 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is quite irritating to hear a monologue when I'm trying to think,
> perhaps that's why I find it so hard to write. When I am pondering
> things I am free from it, there are concepts and ideas moving around too
> fast and messily. Communication is difficult triggering memory can be
> like navigating a minefield, first there is interpreting, then there is
> everything that shouldn't be said (which seems like everything under the
> freaking sun), then putting things into digestible bits and so on. I
> can't imagine how people write so easily, it seems mine are all lies and
> hypocrisy, I'm cursing nearly every word with contempt but still need to
> speak. A damnable position to be in no doubt.. ;-)
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> My first reaction is to discount music and dance as just aesthetic
> expression, but if I try to place that in the field of language it is
> tricky. The most direct observation I have is in meditative moments,
> where something is captivating, the emotional experiences stimulated by
> audio visual and abstract stimulus have some similarity at times. I
> think this goes back to the earliest storytelling that was probably
> reenactments and rudimentary symbolic concepts optimized for
> preprogrammed genetic language induced stimulus-response mechanisms.
> Those we iteratively adapted to changing environments, genetics, and
> experiences as more advanced language and environmental analysis and
> interpretation would afford a higher survival rate to innovations.
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> Andrew, there is a comedy called History of the World Part 1, you might
> find it a humorous take on human progress. "It's good to be the king." LMAO
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> On 1/6/2013 12:35 PM, andrew vecsey wrote:
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> > I suppose dance would be like body language. You raise a very
> > interesting point for me about music Gabby. Sometimes when I am in the
> > right frame of mind, I can think of music and I am able to hear (in my
> > mind) the music, hearing all the notes being played in detail. At those
> > times, when I think of music with lyrics, I can hear (in my mind) the
> > words of the song even though I can not remember the words normally.
> > Kind of strange. Has anyone else experienced that? I suppose it is a
> > kind of photographic memory retrieval. But what I meant to discuss in
> > this post is that if I want to think about the music or about the
> > dance... maybe to critique it or to analyze it, I find that I can not do
> > that without articulating the thoughts in my mind with words. I wonder
> > if others have found the same thing.
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> > On Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:41:53 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
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> >     This is indeed a very, very complex topic worth discussing and
> >     simplifying. Help me understand what you are aiming at by telling me
> >     whether music and dance would also account for languages of
> >     thinking. Thanks.
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> >     2013/1/6 andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
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> >         I have written a new chapter to my "Think Park - A Journey thru
> >         space and time" publication/video that made me think more about
> >         thinking. Whenever I think, I seem to be talking to myself, I
> >         can think about something in my memory by imagining and reliving
> >         sensations I remember, but whenever I think about those
> >         memories, I ultimately revert to talking to my self (up to now,
> >         fortunately silently). Do others in this group of thinkers have
> >         the same experience? If yes, why do you think that it is like
> >         that? If not, how do you manage to think without mentally
> >         talking it out? The excerpt of my new chapter that started me
> >         thinking about this line of thought is below:
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> >         "Before men could talk, they groaned and grunted.Just like with
> >         crying and laughing, it was sometimes difficult to tell the
> >         difference between displays of sorrow and joy, or pain and
> >         pleasure.At the 60 meter point from the start of the think park,
> >         about 18,000 years ago, man started to use *words* to display
> >         his emotions. Words helped man to think and enabled him to
> >         articulate and share his inner most thoughts.*Pictures and
> >         written words* enabled his thoughts and his knowledge to be
> >         stored for later contemplation and to be scattered like seed to
> >         grow.This cultivation, communication and sharing of thoughts,
> >         knowledge and experience resulted in the growth of *agriculture*
> >         that enabled *civilizations* to flourish."
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