Re: Mind's Eye The language of thinking

It is quite irritating to hear a monologue when I'm trying to think,
perhaps that's why I find it so hard to write. When I am pondering
things I am free from it, there are concepts and ideas moving around too
fast and messily. Communication is difficult triggering memory can be
like navigating a minefield, first there is interpreting, then there is
everything that shouldn't be said (which seems like everything under the
freaking sun), then putting things into digestible bits and so on. I
can't imagine how people write so easily, it seems mine are all lies and
hypocrisy, I'm cursing nearly every word with contempt but still need to
speak. A damnable position to be in no doubt.. ;-)

My first reaction is to discount music and dance as just aesthetic
expression, but if I try to place that in the field of language it is
tricky. The most direct observation I have is in meditative moments,
where something is captivating, the emotional experiences stimulated by
audio visual and abstract stimulus have some similarity at times. I
think this goes back to the earliest storytelling that was probably
reenactments and rudimentary symbolic concepts optimized for
preprogrammed genetic language induced stimulus-response mechanisms.
Those we iteratively adapted to changing environments, genetics, and
experiences as more advanced language and environmental analysis and
interpretation would afford a higher survival rate to innovations.

Andrew, there is a comedy called History of the World Part 1, you might
find it a humorous take on human progress. "It's good to be the king." LMAO


On 1/6/2013 12:35 PM, andrew vecsey wrote:
> I suppose dance would be like body language. You raise a very
> interesting point for me about music Gabby. Sometimes when I am in the
> right frame of mind, I can think of music and I am able to hear (in my
> mind) the music, hearing all the notes being played in detail. At those
> times, when I think of music with lyrics, I can hear (in my mind) the
> words of the song even though I can not remember the words normally.
> Kind of strange. Has anyone else experienced that? I suppose it is a
> kind of photographic memory retrieval. But what I meant to discuss in
> this post is that if I want to think about the music or about the
> dance... maybe to critique it or to analyze it, I find that I can not do
> that without articulating the thoughts in my mind with words. I wonder
> if others have found the same thing.
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> On Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:41:53 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
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> This is indeed a very, very complex topic worth discussing and
> simplifying. Help me understand what you are aiming at by telling me
> whether music and dance would also account for languages of
> thinking. Thanks.
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> 2013/1/6 andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
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> I have written a new chapter to my "Think Park - A Journey thru
> space and time" publication/video that made me think more about
> thinking. Whenever I think, I seem to be talking to myself, I
> can think about something in my memory by imagining and reliving
> sensations I remember, but whenever I think about those
> memories, I ultimately revert to talking to my self (up to now,
> fortunately silently). Do others in this group of thinkers have
> the same experience? If yes, why do you think that it is like
> that? If not, how do you manage to think without mentally
> talking it out? The excerpt of my new chapter that started me
> thinking about this line of thought is below:
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> "Before men could talk, they groaned and grunted.Just like with
> crying and laughing, it was sometimes difficult to tell the
> difference between displays of sorrow and joy, or pain and
> pleasure.At the 60 meter point from the start of the think park,
> about 18,000 years ago, man started to use *words* to display
> his emotions. Words helped man to think and enabled him to
> articulate and share his inner most thoughts.*Pictures and
> written words* enabled his thoughts and his knowledge to be
> stored for later contemplation and to be scattered like seed to
> grow.This cultivation, communication and sharing of thoughts,
> knowledge and experience resulted in the growth of *agriculture*
> that enabled *civilizations* to flourish."
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