Re: Mind's Eye Re: A Call To Democratic Arms?

well don't really mind a one time link to a blog,, it is the blog
promotion that I do not like.. and some of these videos are more like
movies any where from 20 min to well over an hour.. with several
segments.. personally I like reading words that way can easily
reread what was said..

I have a dislike for slick posters..
they only have one engine and the only thing I can do is remove them
Allan

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
> I found your community. Looks like a dog-soul group at the moment, but
> nothing to be scared of really. What's wrong with links to videos and blogs?
> Do you intend to run the group via a text engine of some sort that cannot
> handle other stuff?
>
>
> 2013/1/24 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com>
>>
>> No Gabby I do not ,, repeating do not understand how it works,, I
>> still do not understand it,, but a friend of mine Tim talked me into
>> doing a group..
>>
>> Guess I will be finding out.. scary as hell
>> Allan
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:26 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > At least everyone saying things for money and fame mean what they say,
>> > may
>> > it be the truth, the lie, the illusion, the dream - all these sayings
>> > serve
>> > a very real purpose for the speaker, Allan.
>> >
>> > So bad google+ is now good google+. How come? You understand how it
>> > works
>> > now? The prospect of community ownership made you have a second look?
>> > Are we
>> > ready now to reconsider an advertising channel for "Minds Eye" there?
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/1/24 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Actually I think Obama means what he is saying and in reality is
>> >> having to fight the republican party that is more interested the rich
>> >> than the welfare of the nations people. Bear in mind the greatest
>> >> majority of the nations debt was brought on duing republican
>> >> administrations or as a direct result of laws passed by the republican
>> >> party..
>> >> Blame needs to be placed correctly..
>> >>
>> >> well all things aside I created a community on google + called
>> >> "Soul" in case you are interested
>> >> Allan
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:00 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Back from Max's wrestle with a Boxer (lost on points) and a snowman
>> >> > (won with leaping kick), we have Cameron lying on tax evasion with no
>> >> > mention of Britain's role via offshore. He moves on to talk of
>> >> > tackling poverty through democracy, peace, rule of law and
>> >> > transparency. The worrying thing is how he manages to sound like a
>> >> > champion and must, like Obama, mean none of it. Now he's saying big
>> >> > bankers have told him to pursue the open society agenda! Arggh!
>> >> >
>> >> > On Jan 24, 8:48 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> I was only thinking out loud rigs. In science we don't even know
>> >> >> what
>> >> >> mass is, but still manage to weight it accurately for most purposes.
>> >> >> Start trying to produce mass from energy (without something given in
>> >> >> nature like photosynthesis) and politics looks simple! My guess has
>> >> >> long been most of us don't want to know about politics but would
>> >> >> like
>> >> >> it done honestly - and there lies the snag, summed-up in the term
>> >> >> transparency - this looks simple but is a double-edged sword (as in
>> >> >> my
>> >> >> tax return is due and I won't be transparent! - though I am honest
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> do pay up). I hate the way the real issues are really denied debate
>> >> >> and part of that is our desires for reasonably private family life.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I do fear we are at a tipping point and can't see the benefits of
>> >> >> more
>> >> >> transparency and the role of machines in this. My mate Dave runs a
>> >> >> second till in his pub and sells the odd bottle of spirits through
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> - thus cheating the brewery and tax man. Without this no pub - the
>> >> >> business model for such pubs has collapsed. I turn a blind eye and
>> >> >> hope he succeeds. I've know many business people who had to cheat,
>> >> >> lie to the bank and so on to get through hard times, often creating
>> >> >> successful businesses. I don't think big business should behave
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> way - but the business cycle does provide some justification. I
>> >> >> wonder how many 'Dave fiddles' make a Starbucks?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you look at China (allegedly communist - though some way from the
>> >> >> 16th century German Christian communist rebellions) you find
>> >> >> billions
>> >> >> being invested in US/EU property by an elite - this kind of money
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> all over should be invested in more social and scientific capital.
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> think we could get to that without revolution and are largely
>> >> >> restrained by fear. It's not that long since we couldn't talk of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> Sun and planets orbiting same without doing auto da fe. I thus see
>> >> >> economics restrained by instruments of torture and incapable of the
>> >> >> courage once needed in science. I am pessimistic on educating a
>> >> >> critical mass of people and the nightmare is the mass of people are
>> >> >> breeding us to a precipice. I also fear technology may spread to
>> >> >> terrorists in a way we have only yet imagined through machine
>> >> >> expertise in chemical engineering.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In the end we run away from the reality, much as I'm about to do
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> Max and the day job - this usually works rigs - but I suspect the
>> >> >> energy in the zeitgeist is low! He knows his walk is due and is now
>> >> >> grumping about accusing me of stealing his 'nose time' in the
>> >> >> universe
>> >> >> outside the door I don;t 'see' like him.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 23 Jan, 14:22, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > there was a time when american politicians worked for the good of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > people. Today that is that has all changed.. the republican party
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > willing to hold the nation hostage so they can support the high
>> >> >> > priest
>> >> >> > of the golden calf.. making sure the poor pay the taxes and not
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > extremely wealthy..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Oh well greed has it problems usually in less than 100 year when
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > face their resurrection,, but the it is to late .,.,. poor
>> >> >> > souls..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > > He's also as stubborn as a mule Allan - makes him even better
>> >> >> > > really.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > > Your pros and cons (plus margins) had me thinking rigs - I've
>> >> >> > > been
>> >> >> > > asked for a book chapter on 'why economics isn't a science' and
>> >> >> > > saw
>> >> >> > > a
>> >> >> > > set of scales as I read your comments. Coincidentally, Obama
>> >> >> > > was
>> >> >> > > doing his inauguration speech on tv and I remembered you don't
>> >> >> > > like
>> >> >> > > him - he changed to a lying toad in front of my eyes (literally
>> >> >> > > in
>> >> >> > > my
>> >> >> > > head - though I always know I'm seeing an illusion). It was the
>> >> >> > > 'bringing democracy to all nations of the world' bit. Stuff
>> >> >> > > lies
>> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> > > us in science - mass is the classic - we treat it as creating
>> >> >> > > gravitational force (yet gravity is an illusion in general
>> >> >> > > relativity)
>> >> >> > > and also treat it in terms of inertia - experimental results
>> >> >> > > coincidentally 'prove' both. US (and all other) imperialism
>> >> >> > > should
>> >> >> > > make a statement like Obama's impossible to perceive other than
>> >> >> > > as
>> >> >> > > a
>> >> >> > > lie (the historical evidence is that we have subverted democracy
>> >> >> > > almost everywhere). I know from my own experience as an
>> >> >> > > experimenter
>> >> >> > > that it is very difficult to set up measurement. Thinking of
>> >> >> > > this
>> >> >> > > woolly mix I went to bed and dreamed of politicians as cheating
>> >> >> > > alchemists. The dream turned sour at that point when I sensed I
>> >> >> > > was
>> >> >> > > on to something.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > > I can see a machine able to flag up (say) US foreign policy
>> >> >> > > effects
>> >> >> > > as
>> >> >> > > politicians make their promises - clanking up pros and cons to
>> >> >> > > make
>> >> >> > > lying in performance management more obvious. Science is aware
>> >> >> > > that
>> >> >> > > it still gets caught up in myths (like creation and big bang -
>> >> >> > > can
>> >> >> > > we
>> >> >> > > think without origin) but essentially works hard on making
>> >> >> > > factual
>> >> >> > > databases 'anyone' can use in terms of knowing what and knowing
>> >> >> > > how.
>> >> >> > > The economic-political system generally prevents this
>> >> >> > > altogether.
>> >> >> > > Don't really know what I'm on about - but I'm not scared by the
>> >> >> > > machine possibilities and suspect somewhere in this I don;t
>> >> >> > > believe
>> >> >> > > we
>> >> >> > > are human yet - and might only become so with machine help.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > > Time to unleash the hound!
>> >> >> > > On Jan 23, 6:56 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> sounds like a great dog Neil
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:58 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> > Maxwell is a stubby-legged Labrador and a bit of a wimp.
>> >> >> > >> > He's a
>> >> >> > >> > sweetie.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> > On Jan 22, 1:40 pm, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> My last was a lab-shepherd with high energy till he grew
>> >> >> > >> >> old-
>> >> >> > >> >> age 13.
>> >> >> > >> >> Also had a Chesapeake Bay retriever- another large dog that
>> >> >> > >> >> loves
>> >> >> > >> >> water. I have a large backyard but he really needed a field-
>> >> >> > >> >> stream-
>> >> >> > >> >> woods,etc. This cold is hard on paws- some fit their dogs
>> >> >> > >> >> with
>> >> >> > >> >> sweaters and booties.//Yes- it does seem the Brits collapse
>> >> >> > >> >> in
>> >> >> > >> >> snow
>> >> >> > >> >> and unusual weather but it's a strange year- even Jerusalem
>> >> >> > >> >> could make
>> >> >> > >> >> snowmen this year. Anyway- happy travels today.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> On Jan 22, 12:56 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > Max loves the snow - though we rarely drop much below
>> >> >> > >> >> > freezing here
>> >> >> > >> >> > even with wind-chill. I'm off into Manchester today,
>> >> >> > >> >> > assuming out
>> >> >> > >> >> > trains run on a quarter of an inch of snow,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > On Jan 22, 1:07 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > > brrr. We might be there overnight. The deep freeze.
>> >> >> > >> >> > > Wonderful
>> >> >> > >> >> > > world. We move through it regardless.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > > On Jan 21, 10:24 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > My earlier post has been diverted to outer space, it
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > seems.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > That loneliness may be a cover, you know.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > Saul Bellow was a rascal.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > The speed of information leads to surprise and a
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > protean
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > miss, often.
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > I look for patterns in history/culture and try to keep
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > two columns-
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > pro and con with hope for the margins. The top tiers
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > of
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > government are
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > usually the culprits rather than their off-spring- and
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > it's true of
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > tribes as well as complicated systems- the buck really
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > does stop- even
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > in suitcases of cash and packets of Viagra.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > My "dog" would need diapers- we're at -30 wind chill
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > factor.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > On Jan 21, 6:10 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > Of course, I don't expect anything tangled-up with
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > government and
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > academic bureaucracy to produce much practical. The
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > gist was once
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > that we should aim for praxis, a form of rational
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > action. For some
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > the guide was marxism, but most of us grew up with a
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > form of Keynesian
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > guide - the economics of full employment and FDR's
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > never completed
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > second Bill of Rights. More recently we have
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > reverted
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > to the control
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > fraud of banksters and neo-classical economics. I
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > was
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > never much
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > interested in the 'grand theory' - as a cop I was
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > more
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > interested in
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > what people were hiding and lying about, as
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > scientist
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > the grand was
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > excluded as rigorously as possible a the laboratory
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > door and as a
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > university teacher I was more interested in
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > developing
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > resourceful
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > humans than daft, religious managerial theories. As
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > a
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > kid, my elder
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > brother and sister always claimed I changed the
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > goalposts in argument
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > and as I grew up I discovered this was what argument
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > was generally
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > about - the goalposts changing name to root metaphor
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > and paradigm.
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > Experts in argument are bought like lawyers and have
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > about the same
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > ethics. When Socrates gestures at the Sophists
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > claiming 'I know
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > nothing, but even this is to know more than they' he
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > is
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > just being the
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > smartest guy in the room.
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > We say 'jaw-jaw' is better than 'war-war' - but
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > there
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > is no crucial
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > experiment to decide in 'jaw-jaw'. The problem with
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > argument is that
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > it needs arbitration if human beings are involved in
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > it
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > and the seeds
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > of its own destruction are laid in most people
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > having
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > no training in
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > how it is constructed. If you get some training in
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > this you can be
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > bought like a lawyer as a mouthpiece. Machine
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > knowledge bases and
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > reasoning capacity potentially offer a
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > democratisation
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > of argument
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > expertise, manufacturing capability, medicine,
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > finance
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > and much more -
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > evidence-based practice for all. In practice, doing
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > management
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > information systems, one soon learns those currently
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > in
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > the know want
>> >> >> > >> >> > > > > to keep things that way. I believe
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> read more »
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>> >> |_D Allan
>> >>
>> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>> >>
>> >> Of course I talk to myself,
>> >> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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>> |_D Allan
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>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> Of course I talk to myself,
>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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|_D Allan

Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..

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