I watched "Django - unchained" the other day with Noah. I liked the exposure of the truth of how the natural law of order evolves on territorial grounds. One cannot discuss knowledge ownership without checking on which grounds this is taking place - that's my point.
2013/1/26 rigs <rigs117@gmail.com>
The Nazis seem an obvious example of fairly recent history- that's all
I meant- and history is littered with examples as explicated by
Archytas. It's as if the majority gets caught up in a wave- to use
Molly's image. Though there may be concrete reasons at the base, it is
often an irrational reaction. My point is that when dissent is
silenced, democracy is in trouble.
> > > we have experienced it.- Hide quoted text -> Ah, rigs. :( Where is Molly by the way?
> Let's give the majority opinion problem a hearty positive spin and say: the
> majority of Germans is happy that the majority of Americans is happily
> forming their opinions in America and exchange it over there. :)
>
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> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:03:29 PM UTC+1, rigs wrote:
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> > And very often their very existence does depend upon going along with
> > the majority. However, one feature of democracy is that of dissent but
> > it can be risky esp. if the majority has a mob mentality. When you
> > think of the average classroom it is obvious that the pattern is to
> > echo rather than question and the same applies to other areas of life.
> > It is just as likely that the group can be corrupt so "membership" can
> > be a doom- ex: Nazis, etc.
>
> > On Jan 25, 1:43 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > If there is one concept on Earth that has been the absolute bane of
> > > human existence (besides global elitism), it would have to be the
> > > concept of the "majority opinion". The moment men began refusing to
> > > develop their own world views without first asking "What does everyone
> > > else think?", they set themselves up for an endless future of
> > > failures. We are, of course, very social beings, and our natures
> > > drive us to seek those of like mind and spirit in what some might call
> > > a "tribal imperative". However, this imperative to organize is often
> > > manipulated by those who understand the psychological mechanisms
> > > behind it. Oligarchs and tyrants abuse and exploit the inherent
> > > social natures of the people in order to fool them into abandoning
> > > their individuality for the sake of the group, or some abstract and
> > > dishonest ideal. When successful, the organization of a culture
> > > becomes bitter and twisted, changing from a tribe or a community of
> > > sovereign individuals, into a nightmare collective of soulless sheep.
>
> > > Human beings desperately want to belong, but, they also desperately
> > > want to understand the environment around them. Often, the desire to
> > > belong and the desire to know the truth conflict. In some societies,
> > > in order to be accepted, one must give up on his search for truth and
> > > avoid eliciting the anger of others. This causes a severe mental and
> > > emotional disturbance within a population. In order to reconcile
> > > their conflicting needs within a system that does not nurture their
> > > quest for transparency, they tend to unconsciously cling to the
> > > "majority view" as if their very existence depends on it. The idea of
> > > the majority view or the "mainstream", gives people the sense that
> > > they are a part of a group, and at the same time, gives them the
> > > illusion of being informed.
>
> > > The above from Zerohedge - is it right? What does it say about our
> > > general ability to argue rationally? I agree with what is said here -
> > > yet believe it suggests we need a radical alternative of education as
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