Re: Mind's Eye Re: the majority opinion

In the US the american political system for the most part is sold to
the highest bidder since regean sold off the country.. untill there
is a major change in political output ending the greed and self
centered activity putting america first rather than their pocket book
or political gain..

Sadly world wide self interest is placed before the interest of humanity



On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:08 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> On the ignorance of the majority we have this -
> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-29/why-are-american-voters-so-uninformed
>
> In research into he evaluation of management education I used to ask
> individuals present in classes to rate the class from 0 - 10 within an
> hour of finish (usually high) and then put a few questions on content
> memory (usually low, sometimes zero). I repeated this after three and
> six months - al ratings going down a little and content memories
> evaporating. I sat through classes myself and it seemed people were
> paying attention and sometimes actively engaged. The only book I saw
> being used in the library was the comedic but accurate 'Up the
> Organisation'. Memories of the content of that were very good, as was
> memory of project work. I can remember (more accurately) the content
> of a project on the life history of the turbot done aged 10 than the
> content of management education books on the topics I teach.
>
> I suspect the majority ignorance on politics has a lot to do with it
> not being important or interesting - perhaps not even accessible - and
> largely irrelevant to ordinary lives. Many of the people we vote in
> are lawyers and we generally rate them as pond life.
>
> On 29 Jan, 20:21, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> as steroids go the current home run king did it while on drugs,, the
>> base ball of hall of fame said that was okay.. and put him in it
>> making him a hero... drug use and all .. now where is the USADA
>> and their stripping him of his record and banning him from sports for
>> life?? Oh i forgot the Baseball officials paid them off.. so it is
>> okay;; to big of money involved
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>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:16 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I consider myself an equal opportunity critic, Allan. Was quite
>> > critical of Bush 41 and 43.
>>
>> > On Jan 29, 1:06 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> yes sports is dangerous stuff ,,steroids are not uncommon also
>> >> carried on though pro sports oops I forgot they buy off the drug czar
>>
>> >> I do not see why you really don't look into what is going on instead
>> >> of just spout republican rhetoric..
>>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I should have added independence from family, sex and drinking though
>> >> > the latter two are primed in highschool. Also, students can read and
>> >> > write but many need (forgot the term) classes to improve their skills.
>> >> > Not sure if handwriting/grammar is even a factor anymore. // Then
>> >> > there's sports- though Obama thinks it is dangerous stuff along with
>> >> > gun ownership so soon American men/women will be civilian wimps. But
>> >> > the military is an alternative to college/poor employment
>> >> > opportunities so there is always an answer unless one considers
>> >> > military service a risk and who would do that?
>>
>> >> > On Jan 28, 8:57 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Considering that many movers and shakers were lucky to get a
>> >> >> highschool education back in the '20's and '30's and that some recent
>> >> >> innovators dropped out of college one does start to question the
>> >> >> process. Add up the loan debt, as well. College may be a form of the
>> >> >> caste system, networking or opportunity/income leveler. I repeat my
>> >> >> stated opinion that college is a respectable place to park ones
>> >> >> children for some parents. It used to be a place to meet a mate but
>> >> >> now a career is the object since two can no longer live as cheaply as
>> >> >> one. Often college entrants still cannot read or write plus now they
>> >> >> have expectations of a certain level of hype and bedazzlement.//
>> >> >> Teachers burn out in some subjects because it's 24/7- just in
>> >> >> correcting essay exams and term papers plus checking for plagiarizims,
>> >> >> etc. and because they are expected to be sort of a pseudo-parent/
>> >> >> nursemaid/sex-object/inspiration all while getting published to prove
>> >> >> their value/worth to the institution.//Once one learns to read and
>> >> >> comprehend they can teach themselves most anything. A library card
>> >> >> will do...
>>
>> >> >> On Jan 28, 6:39 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > Strangely enough Lee I do experience that! Brian Clough should have
>> >> >> > been England manager! One finds a lot of arrogant ignorance in
>> >> >> > classrooms and a lot of stereotyping by teachers and students.
>> >> >> > Teaching is often a weird experience and difficult to drop from the
>> >> >> > system - something pretty important to let learning take place. I
>> >> >> > don't use textbooks unless I've given up on a class that won't fend
>> >> >> > for itself (some demand spoonfeeding and find discovery learning
>> >> >> > terrifying). It's easy enough to get classes round to looking at work
>> >> >> > motivation in terms of the content and process theories of 'chapter
>> >> >> > three' and regurgitate what's there. To a man jack they'd all give up
>> >> >> > work if they won the lottery, suggesting a rather different theory.
>> >> >> > I'm sure the books are mostly wrong and that more than that the need
>> >> >> > for basic texts is a combination of bad teachers and commercial
>> >> >> > pressures to get bums through seats. I try to met people do what
>> >> >> > interests them, what they want to find and express - but as in all
>> >> >> > human activity there is a problem with people promising 'your own way'
>> >> >> > who don't mean it. And it's much more difficult today to defend
>> >> >> > students who don't toe to the party line. Is it possible to 'respect
>> >> >> > ignorance' but at the same time fail it? What is a person who wants
>> >> >> > to stay ignorant doing in a learning environment? Further down the
>> >> >> > line one often finds research leads one to the conclusion that what's
>> >> >> > taught is rubbish - something one might also achieve just in reacting
>> >> >> > to a teacher one doesn't like without doing the hard work! Our
>> >> >> > schools claim to be doing a better job than ever - but walking Max
>> >> >> > through litter and evading broken bottles left by the products of
>> >> >> > school education I'm not so sure. Still smirking on your comment me
>> >> >> > old China.
>>
>> >> >> > On Jan 27, 11:13 pm, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > Ahhh but what if majority opinion was to sway towards your way Archy?
>>
>> >> >> > > On Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:56:22 UTC, archytas wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > > Much majority opinion, when tested, contains almost no evaluation,
>> >> >> > > > nothing on alternative views (other than suspicion) and no critique or
>> >> >> > > > originality. Many of the people involved are remarkably decent,
>> >> >> > > > hospitable and so on. The majority view on the science I've done is
>> >> >> > > > non-existent - people don't have the requisite languages.
>> >> >> > > > Anthropology throws up majority views across cultures that are frankly
>> >> >> > > > barking (as in our own histories and probably now). We might walk one
>> >> >> > > > of Andrew's thought parks and look back from the near future and
>> >> >> > > > realise neo-classical economics really was a barking mad control fraud
>> >> >> > > > that held us back from world peace - or that it saved us from a world
>> >> >> > > > once again dominated by religion.
>>
>> >> >> > > > On Jan 27, 5:54 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > If you asked someone in the herd, if they considered themselves to be
>> >> >> > > > > part of the herd, or if their view was their opinion, I suspect that
>> >> >> > > > > you would hear a view entirely different than the opinion you just
>> >> >> > > > > voiced, Andrew. An opinion filled with judgments presented as fact
>> >> >> > > > > (or a an attempt of such,) twisted words and thinly veiled accusations
>> >> >> > > > > are always weak argument. Words like arrogant and vain are value
>> >> >> > > > > judgments. Herd mentality is a documented sociological phenomenon.
>> >> >> > > > > Most operating under herd mentality do not understand that the basis
>> >> >> > > > > of their thinking or opinion is fear. I would speculate that most
>> >> >> > > > > political rhetoric is aimed at forming herd mentality with fear. At
>> >> >> > > > > least, all the political ads in every city I have ever lived in the
>> >> >> > > > > US.
>>
>> >> >> > > > > On Jan 27, 12:23 pm, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > > > > Heard mentality or herd mentality is not an opinion. It is just
>> >> >> > > > blindly
>> >> >> > > > > > following the loudest voice heard either out of fear or out of not
>> >> >> > > > having
>> >> >> > > > > > an opinion but taking it from the herd you chose to follow in order to
>> >> >> > > > > > conform. The majority opinion in not necessarily the loudest opinion
>> >> >> > > > you
>> >> >> > > > > > hear. The loudest opinion usually comes from an arrogant, vain and
>> >> >> > > > > > disrespectful person who is power hungry and has enough money for a
>> >> >> > > > > > brainwashing campaign. Like a dictator who disregards majority
>> >> >> > > > opinions as
>> >> >> > > > > > mindless.
>>
>> >> >> > > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:12:08 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > > > > > Of course, I meant herd mentality. Now, off to work!
>>
>> >> >> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > > > > before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation between
>> >> >> > > > heard
>> >> >> > > > > > > > mentality and majority thinking might be in order. It is possible
>> >> >> > > > > > > > there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, but
>> >> >> > > > gross
>> >> >> > > > > > > > generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, one that is
>> >> >> > > > > > > > unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be
>> >> >> > > > dangerous,
>> >> >> > > > > > > > and a great manipulator can take advantage. History bears this
>> >> >> > > > out on
>> >> >> > > > > > > > many occasions.
>>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > what ever andrew
>>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey <
>> >> >> > > > andrewvec...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > > > > > > wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with your
>> >> >> > > > own
>> >> >> > > > > > > opinion. In
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the majority
>> >> >> > > > opinion
>> >> >> > > > > > > is
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and
>> >> >> > > > disrespect. All
>> >> >> > > > > > > opinions
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy?
>>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic
>> >> >> > > > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate as it
>> >> >> > > > has no
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> idea what it is. because of that it is the easiest to
>> >> >> > > > control
>> >> >> > > > > > > being
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and no idea
>> >> >> > > > of
>> >> >> > > > > > > what
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> it believes as well as willing to believe the comforting
>>
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