Re: Mind's Eye Re: Motive

Neil , what is ' docile body production ? Would you care to elaborate ?

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:40 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> If what you are saying Pol wasn't true there would be no advertising.
> What might be more important than free will questions are those on
> resisting govern-mentality and docile body production. I am more
> interested in how we might stop mass manipulation in order more might
> be free in action.
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> The correct salute, if I was too patronising Allan is two-fingered.
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> On 3 Jan, 18:14, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Does it matter if we are free..or if we are not... philosophically i
>> mean... i think its significant the level of importance we are willing to
>> allow to the unconscious affecting the conscious... things affect people
>> differently... so isnt it kinda predetermined..the effect some externality
>> will have on someone... like saying i wish i was like so and so... then you
>> wouldn't be you..you would be that person... theres no point made here cos
>> im just thinking out loud..in text.. ;) ...
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>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>> > If it was all so simple, my attempts to simplify everything would not be
>> > so much fun. Man is a very complex being made up of both conscious and
>> > unconscious aspects that give him both freedoms and limitations. That is
>> > the reason we should try to avoid judging other people. Our unconscious
>> > intuitions come from external sources, but we are free to listen and obey
>> > them and free to refuse to believe them. Our freedom lies in choosing the
>> > many choices we are continuously confronted with. And we decide using our
>> > free will - our desire. You can`t always get what you want, but in the end
>> > you will always get what you need. Psychologists are scientists and what
>> > scientists say should be taken with a grain of salt. Like all of us, they
>> > are free to beleive anything they want to believe. And like all of us, they
>> > are free to change their mind when ever they want to.
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>> > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:31:28 PM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
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>> >> Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
>> >> determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious and
>> >> one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness is
>> >> ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong instinctive sex
>> >> drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
>> >> The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for
>> >> our behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious motives
>> >> ? Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even aware
>> >> even though they are the real determinants of our actions.
>> >> The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we
>> >> are free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand
>> >> freely. So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by
>> >> unconscious determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If
>> >> unconsciously we are selfish and consciously generous , it is our
>> >> generosity for which we can be judged and not the unconscious motive. So ,
>> >> the phantom of Bondage evaporates into thin air !
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