Re: Mind's Eye Re: Motive

All that is true RP - though self, family, culture, religion,
education and the marketplace are all sites (interactive) of Idolism
(sort of Francis Bacon). One can argue we carry (biologically) two
brains - the enteric nervous system being the second. It comprises
an estimated 500 million neurons - about five times as many as in the
brain of a rat - and is around 9 metres long, stretching from your
oesophagus to your anus. The second brain also shares many features
with the first. It is made up of various types of neuron, with glial
support cells. It has its own version of a blood-brain barrier to keep
its physiological environment stable. And it produces a wide range of
hormones and around 40 neurotransmitters of the same classes as those
found in the brain. In fact, neurons in the gut are thought to
generate as much dopamine as those in the head. Intriguingly, about 95
per cent of the serotonin present in the body at any time is in the
ENS. We think it affects mood, may be the source of some diseases
like Parkinson's, but not that it does conscious reasoning. In many
senses, we are the Borg (from Star Trek), having assimilated much
previous life in our own system.

I wonder whether we over-rate the 'I' as a creative source as it seems
so easily influenced by fear and arrogance. For that matter, much the
same brains, developing separately, have produced sexist societies
believing the font of all evil to be menstruation, and science and
great literature (and even societies with this do great harm).

On Jan 5, 10:48 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Culture develops through generations , similar to the development of
> science. One scientist makes a discovery and generations of scientists
> take that forward through inventions and further discoveries. Passing
> on of knowledge to future generations is what has made humans so
> evolved. We are influenced by culture , but in the process we make
> additions and modifications to it. Also varying cultures have an
> effect on each other and cultures thus change with time.
> Everything has an effect on the little child whether it be genes or
> the environment. The ' I ' is creative and improves upon itself , but
> that is innate and to my understanding due to genes and learning.
> Ultimately, it is brain-matter which takes us forward and society is
> the field in which it develops.
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> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:24 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm not much convinced by the "psychoanalusts" RP - though modern
> > brain research does show that our real-time decision-making bears
> > little relation to the ways in which we rationalise it.  The little
> > grey cells are mythical - in fact they are white in colour.  You are
> > describing man as social animal in my view.  Various tests tend to
> > confirm the gist of what you are saying - racism persists amongst
> > those equipped with politically correct lexicon because of the
> > 'unconscious'.  I have 'failed' some of these tests myself but don't
> > commit the 'offences' despite the 'promptings'.  We have even found
> > the white brain matter is structured differently in paedophiles, that
> > teenage brains are very different from adult ones and so on.
> > Connectivity between bits of the brain is also different in serious
> > criminals (and I suspect banksters).  What of the role of culture in
> > all this?
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> > On 4 Jan, 05:45, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Kindly substitute ' matter ' for ' unconscious'  with reference to
> >> promptings to will.
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> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 7:39 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Neil , we know what we are doing but in some cases what we believe our
> >> > motives for those actions to be are not so , rather the real motives
> >> > are exact opposites and are buried in the unconscious traceable by the
> >> > psychoanalysts. The promptings to the ' will ' arise from the ' grey
> >> > matter ' which is unconscious, and we ourselves arise from the same.
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> >> > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:01 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Do we think a body human if it doesn't know what it is doing RP?  Part
> >> >> of judgement is allowing for mistakes.
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> >> >> On 2 Jan, 17:31, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
> >> >>> determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious and
> >> >>> one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness is
> >> >>> ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong instinctive sex
> >> >>> drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
> >> >>> The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for our
> >> >>> behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious motives ?
> >> >>> Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even aware even
> >> >>> though they are the real determinants of our actions.
> >> >>> The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we are
> >> >>> free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand freely.
> >> >>> So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by unconscious
> >> >>> determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If unconsciously we
> >> >>> are selfish and consciously generous , it is our generosity for which we
> >> >>> can be judged and not the unconscious motive. So , the phantom of Bondage
> >> >>> evaporates into thin air !
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