Puh, Molly. Common sense tells us that Rigs' 'eventually fail' does not mean 3 rows down the paragraph! And I said it was not only me saying that about me but also others saying the same thing, the same time, about me. On the Rigs scale that would make me an immediate fail. What I have asked YOU is, what are you measuring on your not enough scale when it's not time+purpose?
2013/2/11 Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
So, your ego tells you there is lack in your experience, based on your
emotional charge, memories, expectations, identity - all the wonderful
things that make up that intangible aspect of self referred to as
ego. Nothing wrong with it at all. It measures, holds historical
data, projects, all very important functions of mind.
I was responding to Rigs comment that fraud and evil eventually fail
due to some universal law. Our view of the result of these laws in
action may be effected by ego. Just sayin.
> 2013/2/11 Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
On Feb 11, 10:04 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ??? Enough for what? On which scale? - I always find myself lacking
> experience, lacking knowledge. Others would support that view. So, what???
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> > At the level of cause and effect, it is karma, Once transcended,
> > simple recognition will evoke a change. But it might not be the
> > change speculated by ego, that contains personal value and agenda.
> > One sure sign that ego is creating our view is that we find our
> > experience lacking - not enough.
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> > On Feb 10, 11:53 pm, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Eventually fraud and evil fail by their own undoing by some universal
> > > law or force.
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> > > On Feb 10, 6:39 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > The ultimate model in this is Gresham's Law or at least it's modern
> > > > version - that allowing fraud just encourages more of it and drives
> > > > out honest business behaviour. The idea was expressed in Gulliver's
> > > > Travels. I can see what you mean about models Molly and broadly
> > > > agree. We still live with Machiavelli in terms of leadership. We can
> > > > see Dorner isn't Dirty Harry. I just wonder if we could form a system
> > > > that chased the kind of leaders we get into jail or the line of fire.
> > > > I fear it's too late. I do think the average jury would convict the
> > > > bankster types if we treated them as we will Dorner - we just aren't
> > > > allowed to use our sense of justice because of Delaware registration
> > > > laws and the rest. I'm giving up myself in order to have my last
> > > > years in uninteresting times.
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> > > > On Feb 10, 9:11 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Each model tells us something. More, maybe. How much do the models
> > > > > tell us about how to relate to our daily experience? In the event
> > > > > that we all look away from bad behavior and don't question whether or
> > > > > not it adds us to potential problems because doing so means we become
> > > > > accountable ourselves - what the models tell us have little value.
> > We
> > > > >elli all do it, not just groups or systems. We are all accountable.
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> > > > > On Feb 10, 12:18 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > >http://wer.worldeconomicsassociation.org/article/view/37
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> > > > > > I'm guessing the criminal model might tell us more Molly. When
> > even
> > > > > > something like microfinance goes as horribly wrong as the link
> > > > > > suggests I wonder what it is that makes us spot criminality and
> > > > > > madness. Dorner reminds me (a bit) of the morality crash I saw in
> > a
> > > > > > management buy out years ago. In grand principle he has probably
> > done
> > > > > > less than we manage with drone attack - but the grey-shading of
> > 'dirty
> > > > > > hands' doesn't enter his case. We can see he's a murderer and
> > > > > > probably paranoid-narcissist. We seem to lack such clarity with
> > much
> > > > > > else going on and I'm not sure it really is that difficult.
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> > > > > > On Feb 10, 3:26 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Not sure criminal behavior is a gauge, as much as a symptom of a
> > > > > > > multitude of disorders. I've met many narcissistic sociopaths
> > who are
> > > > > > > adept at taking it right to the edge of illegal or what case can
> > be
> > > > > > > won in court (or in the workplace, HR), and do a great deal of
> > damage
> > > > > > > operating like that. They continue, as you say, because of our
> > > > > > > tendency to look away from what is uncomfortable instead of
> > having
> > > > > > > those difficult conversations to see problems through to a
> > conclusion
> > > > > > > where everyone wins and no one loses. Losers make sure other
> > people
> > > > > > > lose. They often don't see that they, themselves are losing.
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> > > > > > > On Feb 10, 9:36 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >http://youranonnews.tumblr.com/post/42506354980/heres-an-uncensored-c...
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> > > > > > > > Christopher Dorner the former LAPD officer gone rogue is
> > clearly mad
> > > > > > > > if the link above is his work. There's a persecution complex
> > and he
> > > > > > > > wanders off into statements about public figures as though
> > they'd give
> > > > > > > > a toss on his opinion. The probably squalid murders he's
> > committed
> > > > > > > > are somehow justified in a messy story of himself as public
> > avenger.
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> > > > > > > > My own view of the world is probably more extreme than
> > Dorner's. I
> > > > > > > > don't believe we get much right in our organisations and I'm
> > sure we
> > > > > > > > suffer from collective madness and denial in most of our
> > dealings with
> > > > > > > > each other. I don't believe that the vast majority of our
> > cops,
> > > > > > > > nurses and so on are hard working and generally do the right
> > thing -
> > > > > > > > rather most people don't care much and spend an awful lot of
> > time
> > > > > > > > 'looking the other way'. The truth is that most of our
> > complaints'
> > > > > > > > systems don't work and were designed not to. The kind of
> > evidence of
> > > > > > > > what I'm saying here is the Hillsborough Report - this
> > demonstrates
> > > > > > > > that rather than standing up for truth, pretty much every cop
> > lied and
> > > > > > > > the public was mislead for more than 20 years. Nurses are
> > leaving
> > > > > > > > patients who can't fend for themselves lying in their own mess
> > and
> > > > > > > > even worse. Abused children are left with abusers. What
> > really
> > > > > > > > convinces me we are getting almost everything wrong is an
> > absence of
> > > > > > > > real statistical reasoning - what we get is performance
> > management
> > > > > > > > (juking) and promises lessons are being learned that last
> > until the
> > > > > > > > next serious incident comes to light - when the promise is
> > used again.
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> > > > > > > > I wonder what separates me from sad/bad jerks like Dorner? I
> > don't
> > > > > > > > kill people and wouldn't, much as I liked the film, dream of
> > doing
> > > > > > > > Dirty Harry - the evidence is rarely clear enough. The truth
> > is
> > > > > > > > usually banal and even dull. I can't work out how I know
> > Dorner is a
> > > > > > > > clown and yet believe police complaints systems are hapless
> > and cover
> > > > > > > > a multitude of sins. I know most whistleblowers face dreadful
> > > > > > > > smearing, but this guy is out of it. John Kiriakou seems sane
> > and the
> > > > > > > > US finally mad in sending him to jail and making Brennan head
> > of CIA.
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> > > > > > > > How do we gauge madness and sanity?- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > - Show quoted text -
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