Re: Mind's Eye Something Allan Said

Yes- acceleration is a factor. I may just get that Dick Tracy watch
afterall but it will be my computer-phone. Some think humans and
machines will mate somehow- doesn't sound very romantic, however.

On Feb 24, 10:56 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not invested overly in resentment toward prior generations over what
> seems a bit of a mess, though it is a downer that all the people we have
> trusted to keep the game in check seem to have failed, consumers,
> academia, and politicians all should at least with a touch of humility
> appreciate the roles left unfulfilled. Even the inspired have an
> struggle against the tide, not that I think an ounce of cheek turning is
> due, things are obviously in need of revamping and in many cases not
> revolutionary but probably preventative measures that go really far. I
> think people have taken a lot for granted, the world is accelerating,
> I'm not sure anyone has had a grasp on things, that benefits some
> (information asymmetry). I think we are coming around to the idea that
> our methods have worked because of highly available waste margins and
> when they dry up we get increased competition for limited resources and
> predatory behavior. Suddenly the business practices of 'scalawags'
> twenty years ago becomes a grudging norm, just another job. Driving
> people toward necessity and survival can be a bad thing, it can cut the
> fat in ways also but our power structures are very top heavy so the
> brunt of loss is likely to be unfairly distributed.
>
> Businesses are a powerful economic engine and I think there should be
> rewards and encouragement for industry but there should be a clear line
> drawn to discourage the attitude that the power of legislation is for
> purchase. The dangers of this are clear, it is antithetical to equitable
> justice, and only the most naive belief in benevolence and ignorance of
> history could entertain otherwise. IMHO :)
>
> Ultimately, I hold our leaders at fault for not steering the ship,
> academia for not building into society the needed dedication and
> orientation toward demanding those leaders, and consumers for being
> lulled along in blissful ignorance and squandering times of plenty. I'm
> being indulgent, any grump could've told us all this amidst the while,
> come to think of it nothing about this is original at all...
>
> We really should read more history, eh rigs? There are pieces of the
> eighties of a young age I am fond of, before things started moving
> quickly and I became very occupied with being alert. Aside from culture
> references and trying to understand people I've gained a lot in seeing
> how my children experience and grow, I know the fact that I am human.
> What strange things minds are, I can't stop thinking about Andrew's
> robot challenge, every night in fact, it would be nice to write about-
> but how to choose which world to write. "The perfect tool was never
> used, as it was never made."
>
> On 2/24/2013 2:10 PM, Allan H wrote:
>
>
>
> > What I am afraid of is war is very profitable for those that follow
> > the path golden calf.
>
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I can see plenty of ways forward James - the real problem seems to be
> >> that we have a criminal royalty in place preventing any real politics
> >> - a sort of 'Broken City' writ large.  I'd say 1974-5 is when the
> >> collapse started (this is when Thatcher was rather strangely elected
> >> as Tory leader in a City coup against Heath) - but one can see all the
> >> signs looking back much earlier.  I'm no fan of Terminal Quality
> >> Management - but note blustering some kwality is enough to get a vice
> >> chancellor's job.  Older university staff were appalled at students'
> >> lack of politics, balls, interest and rebellion = most of these staff
> >> are now gone having been totally incapable of resisting the
> >> managerialism of mediocrity because they were too scared about their
> >> own livelihoods.  I'd like some time on golden pond like rigs.  I fear
> >> the world's royalty are taking us to war.
>
> >> On Feb 24, 3:20 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I know many people that were a part of the campus demonstrations of
> >>> the times.  They are now executives and politicians, having felt
> >>> empowered from the get go.  Influencing the end of the war in Vietnam
> >>> and the US civil rights movement as a collective taught many lessons
> >>> on social change.  For me, the debris might be collateral damage like
> >>> death from drug abuse, growing addiction statistics and the
> >>> deconstruction of the family unit (until alternative structures were
> >>> developed and accepted for the children in them.)
>
> >>> On Feb 24, 8:46 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> I was in my mid 20's. I think the assassinations, sit-ins and burning
> >>>> of cities were a shock as I had grown up in what seemed a unified
> >>>> America. I don't think anyone I knew was involved in political and
> >>>> social unrest/debris.
> >>>> On Feb 24, 1:13 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Yeah Rigsy, America existed before you were born..  Metro was attacked
> >>>>> during the commie scare and it took a university to protect him.. a
> >>>>> very great teacher and botanist..  I remember him as a child what he
> >>>>> had..
> >>>>> Ah the debris of the 60's  let me see,,  I didn't know enough to start
> >>>>> it as I turned 18 in '65 so the debris was all ready started.. and
> >>>>> everyone  was older than me or at least the leaders were  seems most
> >>>>> of them were your age Rigsy.. so where were you when the debris was
> >>>>> being created..??
> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:42 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> My America existed before you were born. Sorry you all missed those
> >>>>>> days. Hope my children have the skills to wade through the debris
> >>>>>> starting in the '60's. (No one paid attention to the commie-scare.) I
> >>>>>> would appreciate some golden years of my retirement. Today I made a
> >>>>>> kettle of Italian sausage minestone soup and and another of chili-
> >>>>>> nine pints for the freezer. Watched a Kirk Douglas movie while I
> >>>>>> cooked. Last night I watched "Foyle's War" with Michael Kitchen- he
> >>>>>> was also in "Reckless". I am doing what I like. Life is good.
> >>>>>> On Feb 23, 1:57 am, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Something just clicked, for some reason I couldn't sleep and out of
> >>>>>>> nowhere a voice asked, "what are you supposed to be doing?" As my
> >>>>>>> thoughts go "supposed" was a blurry word, it changes definition and
> >>>>>>> context each time I touch it, until every appropriate meaning becomes
> >>>>>>> expressed in a web of overlaid narratives. It never results in the
> >>>>>>> knowledge everyone else seems to have been born with, "where am I", most
> >>>>>>> seem to just know, and are repulsed by such a question.
> >>>>>>> I'm not sure that I have a solid grasp of the concept of plurality but
> >>>>>>> it does seem that much of the time people mostly operate as though such
> >>>>>>> a thing does not exist. Not picking on the extreme cases and 'true
> >>>>>>> believer' types really, but it seems to be a lost art if it ever were
> >>>>>>> one. The lower criteria you mention is more than a veneer of civility
> >>>>>>> but I think a healthy orientation toward interpersonal dialogue, perhaps
> >>>>>>> a consequence of accepting plural domains, or in hand, on the way toward
> >>>>>>> appreciating, etc. This to me is the opposite of overspecialized and
> >>>>>>> hypersensitive, reactionary, dogmatic and parochial (ad nauseum)
> >>>>>>> attitudes- contrariwise, it is the attitude of building bridges between
> >>>>>>> rifts and conflict, promoting problem solving and inoculating against
> >>>>>>> cynicism and resentment. It seems that people exercising those skills
> >>>>>>> rather than defensive posturing are more likely to be effective, but
> >>>>>>> that would likely depend on climate.
> >>>>>>> Neat word usage Neil, I've never seen supplication used like that. I
> >>>>>>> take it you won't be presenting any of the 'systems thinking' management
> >>>>>>> seminars? "Just buy 100 copies for your team of educators at 70% retail
> >>>>>>> to see amazing productivity gains!" They just learn to pretend better so
> >>>>>>> they don't have to go through it again, it's called trauma-induced
> >>>>>>> performance gains. The ontologists and programmers might get a tiny bit
> >>>>>>> excited. :p
> >>>>>>> Earlier today I was pondering schemes for producing more and better
> >>>>>>> paying lower/middle class jobs and it seems that everything has
> >>>>>>> accelerated except job production. It seems we need to revamp and target
> >>>>>>> local and regional distribution. If we could cook up a way to generate
> >>>>>>> job growth, perhaps in small enterprise, even if it costs money to do so
> >>>>>>> the social benefit goes way up on those types of investment. One idea
> >>>>>>> (mental halfbakery rather) is to produce a gain on revenues exchanged
> >>>>>>> locally and not with corporations over a certain size or banks so the
> >>>>>>> more times it goes around the more value people get. This starts
> >>>>>>> sounding like local currency and decentralization real quick, and
> >>>>>>> apparently that can be a very successful option as well.
> >>>>>>> "Ask people what they want to do." I'll be mulling over the lines
> >>>>>>> between that point and local economies. Facilitation is heavy with big
> >>>>>>> businesses, why not take it in the other direction?
> >>>>>>> On 2/22/2013 9:03 PM, archytas wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Some time back Allan said (more or less) 'everything is a point of
> >>>>>>>> view' - very Nietzsche - but also science.  A bloke called Myrdal was
> >>>>>>>> arguing such in the 50's.
> >>>>>>>> I'm jaded by academic argument.  After a while the major feeling it
> >>>>>>>> leaves me with is how self-serving it is and how excluding it is.  You
> >>>>>>>> can end up in the sanctimonious position of 'wishing everyone else
> >>>>>>>> would get up to speed on learning'.  Nearly all academic argument is
> >>>>>>>> sterile and corrupt.  The promises remind me of 'religion for dupes',
> >>>>>>>> promising
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