Re: Mind's Eye money question

Living cost down?  what a dream..  living cost has gone up five fold.. over here but as usual  there is denial denial and more denial..  I think the place to follow might be Ice Land where the threw a lot of top bankers and politician in prison..  then started over..   there economy is doing good.

Actually the losses should be laid on the shoulders of those that created the debt and problems to start with as they are the very ones that in reality have caused the problems, but as usual  you will get the denial, denial and more denial  as they go off to rape the public one more time for old times sake..

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM, James <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:

Living costs should be down, I wonder what the impacts across the board are to support the financial sector's growth. We are supposed to be transitioning to a knowledge economy while boxed into the old Prussian model of education but I hear Finland is getting good results. Public education in China is suffering while their govt wages production wars to underbid. The older generation's mantra seems to be 'people get what they deserve, to hell with the rest.' Is the depression supposed to slow down the train? Or allow further consolidation of interests to profiteer from working people in a desperate situation while govt sells out on a fire-sale. Somebody other than the teachers is getting paid. My feelings on Chicago are getting a bit more mixed..

On 6/8/2013 11:06 PM, archytas wrote:

I think rigs has the paper-shuffling aspect of money-loss right.  It
doesn't matter much whether this bureaucracy is Soviet Paradise or
Corporate in form.  A recent Keiser Report gets to the issues -
http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-455-407/ - classic quotes
concern that the key thing with the American Dream is that you have to
be asleep to believe it and that you could once pay your way through
college with a part-time minimum wage job and now you'd have to do 50
hours a week.  That higher education should cost more in today's
technological age than in the recent past is ludicrous - teaching
costs should be down.

On 8 June, 08:54, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:

PS  good roofers are hard to find..







On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:

railroad right of ways..  a way for railroads to steal a mans property..
  though it had value at the time.. when done with it in stead of returning
it to the person it was stolen from they sold it and kept the mineral
rights..  and can you believe the promotion and bribery the railroads did
to get those laws enacted..  and railroads are not owned by the people but
private companies..  and bribery was and still is a common practice then
and  is still now especially in the US
Sorry Rigsy I am not coming back to the US to fix your roof  our crew it
totally retired..  lol
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:28 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:

They are very inter-related, Allan. So are property right-of-ways
(railroads) and eminent domain and control of resources. The
regulations and laws are set by legislators and presidential decree.
You would not believe the drama of this garage roof but it's coming
off and being redone if I have to skin it myself!
On Jun 7, 9:13 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:

the government and stock market are two different worlds..
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:59 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:

Money losing money is where we are at with our debt and interest.//
People have a right to invest.// A highly centralized government
creates a bureaucracy of paper shufflers attempting to manage an
economy and other people's money, property and civil rights.
On Jun 7, 1:48 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Money making money is not a good thing Allan.  I'd go for some very
radical changes.  We should sequestrate the rich (they are actually
doing this to us now), bump up minimum wages and conditions and

start

again.  There is historical precedent - Graeber's 'Debt; the first
5000 years' gives some clues, as does Steve Keen's economics.  I'd

go

for a salary and wealth cap too.  It strikes me we are too mean with
everything and yet entirely profligate on matters that hurt the

planet

or people with no power.
It turns out the Romans had concrete that is more durable than

modern

stuff and uses a lot less energy in production (concrete contributes
7% of CO2 through cement production).  We are slow learners!
On 7 June, 04:54, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:

woke up this morning with a weird dream about people creating DNA

to

validate false wills..  was weird needed to get it out of my

head,,

good workman are easier to verify over in England/Scotland than

they

are in

the US..
Money is necessary for everyday activity  giving a common exchange

(also

make it taxable)  where it develops into a problem is as Pope

Francis

put

it "Money with out purpose".  when the sole purpose is to make

more

money

  you have a problem.  When I was sailing I ran into a man who's

dream

was

to to be a cruising sailor "living on a sailboat and wandering

around"

  His

wife asked me to excuse his behavior,, telling me that was his

dream,,

  he

sacrificed that dream because if he followed that the employees

of the

17 ?

could be bad memory? would lose their jobs. She referred to me as

being one

of his heroes..  I remember thinking that this man was a true hero

because

he was putting the welfare of others above his own pleasures..

  to me

this

would be an excellent example of money with purpose.
Because money is stuffed in the stock market to make more money

does

not

give it purpose,  or off shore to avoid paying ones share of

taxes..

  that

does not give it money with purpose..  I do believe that money

can have

purpose not just for the purpose of creating more wealth

following the

Golden Calf ..
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:36 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>

wrote:

Better sing along with Ian Drury and hope she's not carrying a

big

stick James!  I'm a fan.
I still do most of our repairs rigs - mostly to avoid the kind

of

problems you are having.  I've moved too often to know people I

can

trust.
I actually share rigs' concerns on what we might term the

uniform

society.  I don't see politics as very important in this as we

really

have none - just economic ideology.  Chomsky has a fair version

of

anarchy.  My own view is a thesis 'against time immemorial' -

broadly

that we are stuck with non-modern ideologies, including

ignorance of

our biology - in a crude sense I'd recommend a start in watch

female

primates stalking their sexual 'victims' - a non-standard view

of

female sexuality to say the least.
Our institutions are now very real problems - but this doesn't

mean

we

need to tear them down to get the truth out - the basis of the

'all

truth lies in the main destruction' slogan of anarchism.  We are
missing something at rigs' 'do no harm' level - we either all

count

in

front of the law or it isn't worth spit kind of thing.  Yet it's
deeper somehow.
My guess is our work ethic is wrong.  The big fact here is
productivity and the lack of analysis of how much work needs

doing by

humans.  Money is ideological in this, as well as something we

spend

on food etc.  I'm not against hard work  but I hate being

ripped off

as per rigs' roof thing or the TARP/QE thing.  The heraldry of

our

times might well be Allan's 'golden calf rampant'.  I don't

think we

understand how little work there is to do or that wealth

distribution

is out of order.
As an example, clever financial services we might describe as
'intercoursing the rehypothecated derivative repo' makes sense

for

the

first few people or companies doing it in terms of standard

profit

and

loss - but once everyone is at it you just have to pay for extra
chores or costs the performance entails.  By the time everyone

is

doing the complex stuff there is no competitive advantage in it

- and

what we see is big companies stealing tax through the

mechanisms - an

anti-competitive restrictive practice against small firms who

can't

do

offshore transfer pricing.   We end up paying for a lot of

financial

services we don't need - and the amount is vast.
On 6 June, 23:35, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:

I hope it doesn't sound like a straw man setup for anyone

here,

I'm just

weaving in and out, which I must say many here do a pretty

good

job of!

What I mean to say is hit me Gabby! :)
On 6/6/2013 12:34 AM, James wrote:

Heh, did you switch envy and resentment around Rigs? Kidding

with you,

but you may be onto something. In my older years I've

gotten a

chance

to expand my acquaintanceships to include the more hawklike
peacocks/roosters and have noticed a parallel to the jugular

glamor in

prestige of affluence. A repartite sqoundrel no doubt is the

name I'd

know if I opened my mouth today, there were more banal

terms for

it

more appropriate than 'hypocrisy'. They were all

meaningless to

me

anyways, I can count on one hand a few times I said 'Hey!'

with

added

pulp fiction vernacular, a little humorous that it was the

same

notice

in every instance. My fiancee is the only one who knows me

to

have

humor and I do impressions of things she hears about or we

see in

movies while explaining a little on where I'm from, that I

hide

at all

other times behind stoicism. Not to betray the strong and

quiet,

that's in there, he just feels like laughing sometimes. They

don't put

the real funny stuff on tv, it's really weak compared to

reality

and

Chris Rock is tame relying on racial shock (I consider him a
half-funny ass, but I like the movie Shrek). Like what a

girl

shouts

across the auditorium holding another's hair that drops

everyone

gasping for air in laughter dispatching with whatever lunch

was

midswallow, or another one cussing out a John who wanted

credit

all

the way down the block, a teacher flipping out on us. I

felt bad

for

the teachers, even if they were clueless. They were barking

up

the

wrong tree when interviewing certain troubled teens after

Columbine,

...

read more »

--

--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to minds-eye+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

--
 (
  )
|_D Allan

Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..

--
 
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to minds-eye+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.