Re: Mind's Eye money question

Living costs should be down, I wonder what the impacts across the board
are to support the financial sector's growth. We are supposed to be
transitioning to a knowledge economy while boxed into the old Prussian
model of education but I hear Finland is getting good results. Public
education in China is suffering while their govt wages production wars
to underbid. The older generation's mantra seems to be 'people get what
they deserve, to hell with the rest.' Is the depression supposed to slow
down the train? Or allow further consolidation of interests to profiteer
from working people in a desperate situation while govt sells out on a
fire-sale. Somebody other than the teachers is getting paid. My feelings
on Chicago are getting a bit more mixed..

On 6/8/2013 11:06 PM, archytas wrote:
> I think rigs has the paper-shuffling aspect of money-loss right. It
> doesn't matter much whether this bureaucracy is Soviet Paradise or
> Corporate in form. A recent Keiser Report gets to the issues -
> http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-455-407/ - classic quotes
> concern that the key thing with the American Dream is that you have to
> be asleep to believe it and that you could once pay your way through
> college with a part-time minimum wage job and now you'd have to do 50
> hours a week. That higher education should cost more in today's
> technological age than in the recent past is ludicrous - teaching
> costs should be down.
>
> On 8 June, 08:54, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> PS good roofers are hard to find..
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>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> railroad right of ways.. a way for railroads to steal a mans property..
>>> though it had value at the time.. when done with it in stead of returning
>>> it to the person it was stolen from they sold it and kept the mineral
>>> rights.. and can you believe the promotion and bribery the railroads did
>>> to get those laws enacted.. and railroads are not owned by the people but
>>> private companies.. and bribery was and still is a common practice then
>>> and is still now especially in the US
>>> Sorry Rigsy I am not coming back to the US to fix your roof our crew it
>>> totally retired.. lol
>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:28 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> They are very inter-related, Allan. So are property right-of-ways
>>>> (railroads) and eminent domain and control of resources. The
>>>> regulations and laws are set by legislators and presidential decree.
>>>> You would not believe the drama of this garage roof but it's coming
>>>> off and being redone if I have to skin it myself!
>>>> On Jun 7, 9:13 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> the government and stock market are two different worlds..
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:59 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Money losing money is where we are at with our debt and interest.//
>>>>>> People have a right to invest.// A highly centralized government
>>>>>> creates a bureaucracy of paper shufflers attempting to manage an
>>>>>> economy and other people's money, property and civil rights.
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 1:48 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Money making money is not a good thing Allan. I'd go for some very
>>>>>>> radical changes. We should sequestrate the rich (they are actually
>>>>>>> doing this to us now), bump up minimum wages and conditions and
>>>> start
>>>>>>> again. There is historical precedent - Graeber's 'Debt; the first
>>>>>>> 5000 years' gives some clues, as does Steve Keen's economics. I'd
>>>> go
>>>>>>> for a salary and wealth cap too. It strikes me we are too mean with
>>>>>>> everything and yet entirely profligate on matters that hurt the
>>>> planet
>>>>>>> or people with no power.
>>>>>>> It turns out the Romans had concrete that is more durable than
>>>> modern
>>>>>>> stuff and uses a lot less energy in production (concrete contributes
>>>>>>> 7% of CO2 through cement production). We are slow learners!
>>>>>>> On 7 June, 04:54, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> woke up this morning with a weird dream about people creating DNA
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> validate false wills.. was weird needed to get it out of my
>>>> head,,
>>>>>>>> good workman are easier to verify over in England/Scotland than
>>>> they
>>>>>> are in
>>>>>>>> the US..
>>>>>>>> Money is necessary for everyday activity giving a common exchange
>>>>>> (also
>>>>>>>> make it taxable) where it develops into a problem is as Pope
>>>> Francis
>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>> it "Money with out purpose". when the sole purpose is to make
>>>> more
>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>> you have a problem. When I was sailing I ran into a man who's
>>>> dream
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> to to be a cruising sailor "living on a sailboat and wandering
>>>> around"
>>>>>> His
>>>>>>>> wife asked me to excuse his behavior,, telling me that was his
>>>> dream,,
>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> sacrificed that dream because if he followed that the employees
>>>> of the
>>>>>> 17 ?
>>>>>>>> could be bad memory? would lose their jobs. She referred to me as
>>>>>> being one
>>>>>>>> of his heroes.. I remember thinking that this man was a true hero
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> he was putting the welfare of others above his own pleasures..
>>>> to me
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> would be an excellent example of money with purpose.
>>>>>>>> Because money is stuffed in the stock market to make more money
>>>> does
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> give it purpose, or off shore to avoid paying ones share of
>>>> taxes..
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> does not give it money with purpose.. I do believe that money
>>>> can have
>>>>>>>> purpose not just for the purpose of creating more wealth
>>>> following the
>>>>>>>> Golden Calf ..
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:36 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Better sing along with Ian Drury and hope she's not carrying a
>>>> big
>>>>>>>>> stick James! I'm a fan.
>>>>>>>>> I still do most of our repairs rigs - mostly to avoid the kind
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> problems you are having. I've moved too often to know people I
>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> trust.
>>>>>>>>> I actually share rigs' concerns on what we might term the
>>>> uniform
>>>>>>>>> society. I don't see politics as very important in this as we
>>>> really
>>>>>>>>> have none - just economic ideology. Chomsky has a fair version
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> anarchy. My own view is a thesis 'against time immemorial' -
>>>> broadly
>>>>>>>>> that we are stuck with non-modern ideologies, including
>>>> ignorance of
>>>>>>>>> our biology - in a crude sense I'd recommend a start in watch
>>>> female
>>>>>>>>> primates stalking their sexual 'victims' - a non-standard view
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> female sexuality to say the least.
>>>>>>>>> Our institutions are now very real problems - but this doesn't
>>>> mean
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> need to tear them down to get the truth out - the basis of the
>>>> 'all
>>>>>>>>> truth lies in the main destruction' slogan of anarchism. We are
>>>>>>>>> missing something at rigs' 'do no harm' level - we either all
>>>> count
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> front of the law or it isn't worth spit kind of thing. Yet it's
>>>>>>>>> deeper somehow.
>>>>>>>>> My guess is our work ethic is wrong. The big fact here is
>>>>>>>>> productivity and the lack of analysis of how much work needs
>>>> doing by
>>>>>>>>> humans. Money is ideological in this, as well as something we
>>>> spend
>>>>>>>>> on food etc. I'm not against hard work but I hate being
>>>> ripped off
>>>>>>>>> as per rigs' roof thing or the TARP/QE thing. The heraldry of
>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> times might well be Allan's 'golden calf rampant'. I don't
>>>> think we
>>>>>>>>> understand how little work there is to do or that wealth
>>>> distribution
>>>>>>>>> is out of order.
>>>>>>>>> As an example, clever financial services we might describe as
>>>>>>>>> 'intercoursing the rehypothecated derivative repo' makes sense
>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> first few people or companies doing it in terms of standard
>>>> profit
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> loss - but once everyone is at it you just have to pay for extra
>>>>>>>>> chores or costs the performance entails. By the time everyone
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> doing the complex stuff there is no competitive advantage in it
>>>> - and
>>>>>>>>> what we see is big companies stealing tax through the
>>>> mechanisms - an
>>>>>>>>> anti-competitive restrictive practice against small firms who
>>>> can't
>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> offshore transfer pricing. We end up paying for a lot of
>>>> financial
>>>>>>>>> services we don't need - and the amount is vast.
>>>>>>>>> On 6 June, 23:35, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I hope it doesn't sound like a straw man setup for anyone
>>>> here,
>>>>>> I'm just
>>>>>>>>>> weaving in and out, which I must say many here do a pretty
>>>> good
>>>>>> job of!
>>>>>>>>>> What I mean to say is hit me Gabby! :)
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2013 12:34 AM, James wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Heh, did you switch envy and resentment around Rigs? Kidding
>>>>>> with you,
>>>>>>>>>>> but you may be onto something. In my older years I've
>>>> gotten a
>>>>>> chance
>>>>>>>>>>> to expand my acquaintanceships to include the more hawklike
>>>>>>>>>>> peacocks/roosters and have noticed a parallel to the jugular
>>>>>> glamor in
>>>>>>>>>>> prestige of affluence. A repartite sqoundrel no doubt is the
>>>>>> name I'd
>>>>>>>>>>> know if I opened my mouth today, there were more banal
>>>> terms for
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> more appropriate than 'hypocrisy'. They were all
>>>> meaningless to
>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>> anyways, I can count on one hand a few times I said 'Hey!'
>>>> with
>>>>>> added
>>>>>>>>>>> pulp fiction vernacular, a little humorous that it was the
>>>> same
>>>>>> notice
>>>>>>>>>>> in every instance. My fiancee is the only one who knows me
>>>> to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> humor and I do impressions of things she hears about or we
>>>> see in
>>>>>>>>>>> movies while explaining a little on where I'm from, that I
>>>> hide
>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>>>>>> other times behind stoicism. Not to betray the strong and
>>>> quiet,
>>>>>>>>>>> that's in there, he just feels like laughing sometimes. They
>>>>>> don't put
>>>>>>>>>>> the real funny stuff on tv, it's really weak compared to
>>>> reality
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Rock is tame relying on racial shock (I consider him a
>>>>>>>>>>> half-funny ass, but I like the movie Shrek). Like what a
>>>> girl
>>>>>> shouts
>>>>>>>>>>> across the auditorium holding another's hair that drops
>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>> gasping for air in laughter dispatching with whatever lunch
>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> midswallow, or another one cussing out a John who wanted
>>>> credit
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> the way down the block, a teacher flipping out on us. I
>>>> felt bad
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> the teachers, even if they were clueless. They were barking
>>>> up
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> wrong tree when interviewing certain troubled teens after
>>>>>> Columbine,
>> ...
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