Re: Mind's Eye money question

I am not sure how anarchosyndicalism comes into play other than
recognizing the term and thinking Neil mentioned it recently (but memory
can be faulty) but am interested in a view of how biology plays a role
in the anarcho-capitalist's claim that we have no free market to qualify
a decentralized system of self-regulating economic exchange. It seems to
me that the libertarian view is almost what we've had so far, and
supposedly a market will arise from demand to service fair-play within
the industry like some shoot-em-up western. If somebody mentions
nationalizing BP I think, 'what would be the difference?' Aren't big oil
and governments already thick as thieves? People are supposed to vote
with their pocketbooks? China has the cleanest rivers, and the Tiananmen
square incident was a few disruptive students getting pushed around by
local mall-cops. That might be a joke Chomsky would appreciate.

When the means of production are held in common, and not on some
idealists notepad. Access to knowledge and information is universal, and
the technologies to deliver it truly ubiquitous then those terms may
hold some weight. The boundaries start to break down on blaming the
victim by regression and recursion until we are left with sterile
abstractions on par with 'god has a plan', which I would be sure he did
if the whole matter weren't such a conflict of interest that rests
solely on one's ability to implement His 'open framework' without the
aid of a consultant, wealth, or wizardly intelligent disposition.

I'm pondering the outcome of opening my knowledge and dedicating
resources to opening access to many people to very enabling technologies
and been asking myself whether this serves my duty to nature or merely
accelerates the means of further collapse... There has to be some other
way than ignorance, arrogance, and tormenting ourselves with the Tragedy
of Universals. You're talking tough nuts here Allan, somebody has to. :)

On 6/5/2013 2:39 AM, Allan H wrote:
> I do not think it is resentment,, I was raised to live life morally
> with out harming others,, I personally do not like being ripped of by
> people whose extreme interpretation of morality allow them to steal
> and harm others without apparent conscious then make all kinds of
> excuses blaming others for the poverty and harm they have created..
>
> The moral guideline of "Do No Harm" is often violated justified by the
> comment it is legal.. a good example of Monsanto paying for a law to
> be passed so the can violate the morality of Do No harm by saying well
> it is legal and we have done nothing wrong.
>
> The problem with these arguments is it seems people are justifying
> their violations of morality by saying it is alright because it is not
> illegal. To me if there is a commitment to morality which is required
> for the "Soul" to pass its exam of humanism ... justifying immorality
> by it is legal.. well good luck on your spiritual development.. When
> you have to justify your view well you need to carefully look at what
> you are justifying..
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 5:06 AM, rigs <rigs117@gmail.com
> <mailto:rigs117@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think resentment is a basic cause of envy between the classes. But
> some are smarter, industrious, creative, etc. You can't equalize those
> qualities unless you re-do DNA or live in a society of robots. You
> have a media that promotes a certain mode of success- mostly built on
> wealth and possessions. You have fractured families due to the social
> movements of the last century. Yet, I do see progress also.//I see "Do
> no harm" as don't make matters worse through ignorance or arrogance.
> Not sure the Ideal is a human possibility.
>
> On Jun 4, 2:38 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > it is extremely difficult to stay within guidelines..I am sure the
> > guidelines of "Do no harm" is among the most difficult ans on
> the verge of
> > impossibility.. the problem lies within meditation of the
> variations
> > there of and how does one balance the center line without
> drifting from
> > side to side
> >
> > Hypocrite "No" not when a person is striving to accomplish the ideal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:46 PM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > If one gains a mistrust of ambition too well it can stifle
> their degrees
> > > of movement. I want to read Frederick Douglass, I've tried
> before but felt
> > > compromised when the inner fire posed a challenge to my
> discipline. It
> > > wasn't the words on the page that lights my soul ablaze (if I
> may) but the
> > > chains missing from the depiction of our lady. I know the
> beauty Allan
> > > speaks of truth, but I dare not touch or mar it, for many she
> is deaf and
> > > blind, for some a gasp of air while struggling with the
> undertow, a crack
> > > in the world (ditto).
> >
> > > Then, all the emotion and time comes to naught if we don't
> choose. Wrong
> > > choices for the right reasons doesn't a leader make, and where
> does
> > > leadership come from if not that fire sometimes. A great crime
> it seems is
> > > that many see and don't believe, feel and do nothing. Don't
> assume I'm
> > > being "a" hypocrite, I am "The".
> >
> > > On 6/4/2013 8:17 AM, Molly wrote:
> >
> > >> well said, Rigs. Very well said.
> >
> > >> On Jun 3, 11:32 pm, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com
> <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > >>> I regard blind Justice two ways: to make judgments free from
> bias and
> > >>> influence and to hide the tears that must flow watching human
> > >>> behaviors.
> >
> > >>> On Jun 3, 12:53 am, James <ashkas...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > >>> Justice is also blind of skill, manipulation, corruption,
> nepotism and
> > >>>> many fine traits that sociopaths will deploy in pursuit of
> fairness (as
> > >>>> in love and war). You really can learn a lot about people
> in how they
> > >>>> exercise power and authority, especially from beneath the
> cloud. Someone
> > >>>> gave me a sideways glance the other day when they mentioned the
> > >>>> importance of loyalty and I am glad they did, I might not
> have pieced
> > >>>> together with such clarity that some people are out looking
> for dogs,
> > >>>> whereas I tend to differ on fairness and am looking for the
> genuine and
> > >>>> authentic. On bearing crosses and turning cheek it seems I
> would do well
> > >>>> to follow gabby and RP's advice, a long lesson of mine.
> > >>>> Thanks Molly for the great tips lately, it is meshing well
> with my
> > >>>> better foot! :)
> > >>>> On 6/2/2013 10:13 PM, rigs wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> Part of the problem is the tradition of using warfare and
> conquest as
> > >>>>> an opportunity to rape and pillage and amass slave labor and
> > >>>>> resources. And business can be a form of warfare.
> Sometimes justice
> > >>>>> happens slowly outside the courts like a dark cloud.
> Lawyers are
> > >>>>> despied until you really, really need one. And doctors
> have the
> > >>>>> repuation of burying their mistakes and dislike the fees for
> > >>>>> malpractice insurance. Look at the problems females have
> in the
> > >>>>> military and business world reporting sexual harassment.
> No wonder
> > >>>>> Justice is blind!
> > >>>>> On Jun 2, 8:02 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>> It sounds like a challenge fit for one of those legendary
> wise leaders
> > >>>>>> who presents a challenge and distributes the loss
> according to just
> > >>>>>> deserts. But I can't help but wonder what a just
> challenge would be
> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>> the plaintiff, and what type of arbitration would be
> sufficient. It
> > >>>>>> is a
> > >>>>>> puzzle Allan, is the theft held among one generation or
> multiple, what
> > >>>>>> interests are held against it currently?
> > >>>>>> On 6/2/2013 1:48 PM, Allan H wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>>> oops I mean the wealth is no longer considered stolen
> and has become
> > >>>>>>> acceptable.. even when it is widely know the source is
> theft..
> > >>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Allan H
> <allanh1...@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> how can money that was stolen be past down to the next
> > >>>>>>> generation,, it seems that it becomes perfectly
> acceptable and
> > >>>>>>> the wealth is considered no longer acceptable.
> > >>>>>>> Yet if i buy a painting that was stolen still
> belongs to the
> > >>>>>>> family it was stolen from? It seems it is applied
> > >>>>>>> selectively..
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> > >>>>>>> Of course I talk to myself,
> > >>>>>>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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