Re: Mind's Eye Re: Search Engine As God

I don't recall reading Heinlein or McLuhan but this reminds me a little
of Clan of the Cave Bear in how an air of magic and mystery surrounded
the powers of mastery for the neanderthalic characters which Ayla was
disruptive of by counting much faster and higher and developing refined
throwing weapons. After early childhood it was one of the few fiction
books I've read.

My usage of search is a bit odd, I refuse to browse the second page of
results, and if I cannot find a clue to refine my question onto the
first page I go back to trying to solve the problem myself for a bit. I
hope this somehow benefits their algorithms because it can be a bit
agressive, I probably do thousands a year like that on top of normal
curiosity.

It just sank into my thick cranium, in this case the latent capacities
have more opportunity to surface as the barriers (illusory even?) to
expressing them are diminished. I like this point but think we are
struggling as it is to digest the new world, we are severely restricted
in the delivery mechanisms and quality of information, and the means of
contributing are badly outmoded. I have been thinking of group behavior
from a sensor network standpoint and we seem to behave in a very
isolated fashion gravitating around small sets of knowledge rather than
deriving schematic or systems level intelligence of cooperation in
massive realtime environments. The tech to me is another tool, it could
be much more than an opiate or pleasure inducing portal. I have my eye
on many of the things Andrew was talking about for micr-participatory
interaction with processes and environments, but also knowledge and
observations. I make hundreds of tiny ones a day but have nowhere to put
them, even the big ones pass like a dust devil. The available wikis and
information stores seem more of congregation/aggregation spaces and I
have no chance of keeping up with Reddit or the others. What I would
like to see is a decentralized information grid with fuzzy atoms of
information (perhaps like OWL or semantic markup) and a participatory
model better than vote up/down (mostly useless).

I've been debating learning FORTH to pursue my interests in intelligent
sensor grids, mainly to get price down under a dollar each and run for a
year off a AA battery. My illusion seems to be absence of time and
resources. :)


On 7/2/2013 8:53 AM, Molly wrote:
> I loved the Robert Heinlein novels as a kid, but I think he finally
> got around to the meaning of "free" and it had nothing to do with free
> lunch. He did get to the heart of our trade system, especially
> emotional trade, as in his treatment of human laughter.
>
> I think Marshall McLuhan would have enjoyed the notion of search
> engine as god, as I read his "media is the message" as predicting a
> leap in consciousness when the access to information became immediate
> - as it is now. God, as the spirit in all of us, becomes the vehicle
> for change.
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 12:51:01 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> Faith is in the measure of balance, I haven't considered it of much
> value until I saw the apple fall many times and by the time it hit
> the
> ground it hadn't left the branch and I came to understand why I
> wouldn't
> accept the certainty of things. One door opened and it wasn't one
> of the
> thousands of thoughts racing around the labyrinth. For me, now that I
> know just a tiny bit I am more willing to appreciate the principles
> behind the classic apple and TANSTAAFL (which holds few surprises), a
> little less bound to patient resignation. The form of my
> understanding
> may be nonsense but for what it's worth neither position has been
> precluded. A subjective position for your consideration.
>
> On 7/1/2013 5:10 AM, Allan H wrote:
> > lol heaven is what you make it ..one persons heaven could be
> someones
> > elses hell and vice verse
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com
> <javascript:>
> > <mailto:123...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
> >
> > Heaven and Hell are here only , Allan ,and it is your good
> luck if
> > you escape the hell and enjoy the heaven.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com
> <javascript:>
> > <mailto:allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
> >
> > the laws of nature apply whether you know of them or
> not, the
> > same applies to man's body.. now the only guide line
> the soul
> > needs to follow is 'do no harm' but that can easily be
> > broken.. now when your soul returns to it's natural
> realm how
> > well it did in its humanize form that is another question..
> > you will find out your test results later RP
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:23 AM, RP Singh
> <123...@gmail.com <javascript:>
> > <mailto:123...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
> >
> > Apples were falling to the ground from the beginning ,
> > only man took it for granted and never thought that
> it was
> > following laws of nature until Newton applied his
> mind and
> > discovered the law of gravity.Similarly , Allan , man's
> > will follows laws of Nature all the time but these very
> > laws have not yet been discovered by man.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Allan H
> > <allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>
> <mailto:allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
> >
> > RP an apple does not have free will it is bound
> to the
> > laws of nature.. you ae not bound to these laws
> you
> > have choice.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:03 PM, RP Singh
> > <123...@gmail.com <javascript:>
> <mailto:123...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
> >
> > It is from unconscious Nature that all
> proceeds in
> > a chain , one leading to another.' Will' is
> just
> > as free as the apple falling from the tree.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Allan H
> > <allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>
> > <mailto:allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think God knows every thing that
> will
> > happen.. that would create pre-destiny and
> > that would eliminate the nature of free
> > will.. Free will is an important part
> of this
> > exam our souls are involved in by taking
> the
> > life exam. You have to be able to chose
> your
> > own solutions to the problems life puts
> before
> > you.
> >
> > I do find the computer idea
> interesting.. and
> > an interesting way of putting it.. as the
> > economy .. as for over size institutions..
> > well maybe the Canadians have it right
> by over
> > regulating them.. there economy has not
> gone
> > through the bubble and bursts that all
> of our
> > economies have.. the US economy started
> the
> > down hill slid with Reaganomics and
> > deregulating the banks and Markets.. all
> that
> > did was open the doors for the greedy and
> > slimy souls to practice their ideas at the
> > expense of the population.. the proper name
> > for politicians, bankers and cawyers in
> the US
> > is "cockroach"
> >
> > As for new or unique ideas I did see one
> the
> > other day.. (completely off topic -- yet
> watch
> > the video)
> > http://bgobeyond.com/
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:02 PM, archytas
> > <nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>
> <mailto:nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > It is true this idea can't resist your
> > initial critique Allan. The
> metaphor is a
> > bit shaky and we have seen it
> before as
> > Laplace's Demon and its situation
> knowing
> > everything that has happened and
> > everything that will. The author's
> points
> > can be found at the link. They aren't
> > about god as any of us might consider
> > he/she/it.
> >
> > Students make Francis' point all the
> time
> > - but they actually don't know 'how to
> > google' in any depth. Sites like
> Wiki and
> > the BBC have given them information
> that
> > satisfies teachers in schools, but they
> > rarely find all the information and
> very
> > little of the critique. The big mess
> > search engines throw up is pretty
> banal.
> > I'd no doubt produce more hits on a
> video
> > of Maxwell eating my dentures than a
> > listing of the details of my petrol
> from
> > air machine. I occasionally set
> questions
> > like 'find the earth's major energy
> source
> > and critically evaluate the
> efficiency of
> > the main processes that harness it'
> - this
> > is a question about the sun and such as
> > photosynthesis, but most seem not to
> know
> > this post-Google.
> >
> > My own interest in this IT/IS question
> > concerns "finance". Finance has
> long had
> > a god-like quality in my thinking -
> if we
> > think of the kind of gods that would
> turn
> > any moral creature to Prometheus.
> Most of
> > us in here know the plot - we should
> build
> > safe homes for 2 billion people from
> > Tornado Alley, British flood plains
> and on
> > to Monsoon areas and so on. We should
> > take local-global catastrophe seriously
> > and even such matters as leaving the
> > planet or biological form longer term.
> > Instead we have finance acting as an
> > unquestioned god on how we organise
> > ourselves. There's a free PDF on the
> > finance curse here
> >
> -http://treasureislands.org/the-finance-curse-my-new-book/
> <http://treasureislands.org/the-finance-curse-my-new-book/>
> >
> > Information systems are potentially
> a way
> > to free us from the finance gods
> without
> > replacing them by State capitalism.
> > Currently they give us more reason to
> > worry about yet more intrusion into our
> > lives by the powerful. We have
> problems
> > conceptualising in areas like this
> because
> > terms like "transparency" are both good
> > and bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, 29 June 2013 21:57:58
> UTC+1,
> > archytas wrote:
> >
> > If God did not exist � people
> would
> > invent one! The development of
> > human civilization requires
> mechanisms
> > promoting cooperation and
> > social order. One of these
> mechanisms
> > is based on the idea that
> > everything we do is seen and
> judged by
> > God � bad deeds will be
> > punished, while good ones will be
> > rewarded (or was this Santa?). The
> > Information Age has
> > now fueled the dream that God-like
> > omniscience and omnipotence can
> > be created by man.
> >
> > This is an interesting way of
> thinking
> > about information systems - full
> free
> > paper at
> > http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf
> <http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf>
> >
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