Re: Mind's Eye Re: Search Engine As God

In short I agree Molly, in a disorganized fashion.

On 7/3/2013 3:03 PM, James wrote:
> I don't recall reading Heinlein or McLuhan but this reminds me a
> little of Clan of the Cave Bear in how an air of magic and mystery
> surrounded the powers of mastery for the neanderthalic characters
> which Ayla was disruptive of by counting much faster and higher and
> developing refined throwing weapons. After early childhood it was one
> of the few fiction books I've read.
>
> My usage of search is a bit odd, I refuse to browse the second page of
> results, and if I cannot find a clue to refine my question onto the
> first page I go back to trying to solve the problem myself for a bit.
> I hope this somehow benefits their algorithms because it can be a bit
> agressive, I probably do thousands a year like that on top of normal
> curiosity.
>
> It just sank into my thick cranium, in this case the latent capacities
> have more opportunity to surface as the barriers (illusory even?) to
> expressing them are diminished. I like this point but think we are
> struggling as it is to digest the new world, we are severely
> restricted in the delivery mechanisms and quality of information, and
> the means of contributing are badly outmoded. I have been thinking of
> group behavior from a sensor network standpoint and we seem to behave
> in a very isolated fashion gravitating around small sets of knowledge
> rather than deriving schematic or systems level intelligence of
> cooperation in massive realtime environments. The tech to me is
> another tool, it could be much more than an opiate or pleasure
> inducing portal. I have my eye on many of the things Andrew was
> talking about for micr-participatory interaction with processes and
> environments, but also knowledge and observations. I make hundreds of
> tiny ones a day but have nowhere to put them, even the big ones pass
> like a dust devil. The available wikis and information stores seem
> more of congregation/aggregation spaces and I have no chance of
> keeping up with Reddit or the others. What I would like to see is a
> decentralized information grid with fuzzy atoms of information
> (perhaps like OWL or semantic markup) and a participatory model better
> than vote up/down (mostly useless).
>
> I've been debating learning FORTH to pursue my interests in
> intelligent sensor grids, mainly to get price down under a dollar each
> and run for a year off a AA battery. My illusion seems to be absence
> of time and resources. :)
>
>
> On 7/2/2013 8:53 AM, Molly wrote:
>> I loved the Robert Heinlein novels as a kid, but I think he finally
>> got around to the meaning of "free" and it had nothing to do with
>> free lunch. He did get to the heart of our trade system, especially
>> emotional trade, as in his treatment of human laughter.
>>
>> I think Marshall McLuhan would have enjoyed the notion of search
>> engine as god, as I read his "media is the message" as predicting a
>> leap in consciousness when the access to information became immediate
>> - as it is now. God, as the spirit in all of us, becomes the vehicle
>> for change.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 12:51:01 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>
>> Faith is in the measure of balance, I haven't considered it of much
>> value until I saw the apple fall many times and by the time it hit
>> the
>> ground it hadn't left the branch and I came to understand why I
>> wouldn't
>> accept the certainty of things. One door opened and it wasn't one
>> of the
>> thousands of thoughts racing around the labyrinth. For me, now
>> that I
>> know just a tiny bit I am more willing to appreciate the principles
>> behind the classic apple and TANSTAAFL (which holds few
>> surprises), a
>> little less bound to patient resignation. The form of my
>> understanding
>> may be nonsense but for what it's worth neither position has been
>> precluded. A subjective position for your consideration.
>>
>> On 7/1/2013 5:10 AM, Allan H wrote:
>> > lol heaven is what you make it ..one persons heaven could be
>> someones
>> > elses hell and vice verse
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:>
>> > <mailto:123...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Heaven and Hell are here only , Allan ,and it is your good
>> luck if
>> > you escape the hell and enjoy the heaven.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:>
>> > <mailto:allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > the laws of nature apply whether you know of them or
>> not, the
>> > same applies to man's body.. now the only guide line
>> the soul
>> > needs to follow is 'do no harm' but that can easily be
>> > broken.. now when your soul returns to it's natural
>> realm how
>> > well it did in its humanize form that is another
>> question..
>> > you will find out your test results later RP
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:23 AM, RP Singh
>> <123...@gmail.com <javascript:>
>> > <mailto:123...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Apples were falling to the ground from the beginning ,
>> > only man took it for granted and never thought that
>> it was
>> > following laws of nature until Newton applied his
>> mind and
>> > discovered the law of gravity.Similarly , Allan ,
>> man's
>> > will follows laws of Nature all the time but these
>> very
>> > laws have not yet been discovered by man.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Allan H
>> > <allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>
>> <mailto:allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > RP an apple does not have free will it is bound
>> to the
>> > laws of nature.. you ae not bound to these laws
>> you
>> > have choice.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:03 PM, RP Singh
>> > <123...@gmail.com <javascript:>
>> <mailto:123...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > It is from unconscious Nature that all
>> proceeds in
>> > a chain , one leading to another.' Will' is
>> just
>> > as free as the apple falling from the tree.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Allan H
>> > <allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>
>> > <mailto:allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't think God knows every thing that
>> will
>> > happen.. that would create pre-destiny and
>> > that would eliminate the nature of free
>> > will.. Free will is an important part
>> of this
>> > exam our souls are involved in by taking
>> the
>> > life exam. You have to be able to chose
>> your
>> > own solutions to the problems life puts
>> before
>> > you.
>> >
>> > I do find the computer idea
>> interesting.. and
>> > an interesting way of putting it.. as the
>> > economy .. as for over size institutions..
>> > well maybe the Canadians have it right
>> by over
>> > regulating them.. there economy has not
>> gone
>> > through the bubble and bursts that all
>> of our
>> > economies have.. the US economy started
>> the
>> > down hill slid with Reaganomics and
>> > deregulating the banks and Markets.. all
>> that
>> > did was open the doors for the greedy and
>> > slimy souls to practice their ideas at
>> the
>> > expense of the population.. the proper
>> name
>> > for politicians, bankers and cawyers in
>> the US
>> > is "cockroach"
>> >
>> > As for new or unique ideas I did see one
>> the
>> > other day.. (completely off topic -- yet
>> watch
>> > the video)
>> > http://bgobeyond.com/
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:02 PM, archytas
>> > <nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>
>> <mailto:nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > It is true this idea can't resist your
>> > initial critique Allan. The
>> metaphor is a
>> > bit shaky and we have seen it
>> before as
>> > Laplace's Demon and its situation
>> knowing
>> > everything that has happened and
>> > everything that will. The author's
>> points
>> > can be found at the link. They aren't
>> > about god as any of us might consider
>> > he/she/it.
>> >
>> > Students make Francis' point all the
>> time
>> > - but they actually don't know 'how to
>> > google' in any depth. Sites like
>> Wiki and
>> > the BBC have given them information
>> that
>> > satisfies teachers in schools, but
>> they
>> > rarely find all the information and
>> very
>> > little of the critique. The big mess
>> > search engines throw up is pretty
>> banal.
>> > I'd no doubt produce more hits on a
>> video
>> > of Maxwell eating my dentures than a
>> > listing of the details of my petrol
>> from
>> > air machine. I occasionally set
>> questions
>> > like 'find the earth's major energy
>> source
>> > and critically evaluate the
>> efficiency of
>> > the main processes that harness it'
>> - this
>> > is a question about the sun and
>> such as
>> > photosynthesis, but most seem not to
>> know
>> > this post-Google.
>> >
>> > My own interest in this IT/IS question
>> > concerns "finance". Finance has
>> long had
>> > a god-like quality in my thinking -
>> if we
>> > think of the kind of gods that would
>> turn
>> > any moral creature to Prometheus.
>> Most of
>> > us in here know the plot - we should
>> build
>> > safe homes for 2 billion people from
>> > Tornado Alley, British flood plains
>> and on
>> > to Monsoon areas and so on. We should
>> > take local-global catastrophe
>> seriously
>> > and even such matters as leaving the
>> > planet or biological form longer term.
>> > Instead we have finance acting as an
>> > unquestioned god on how we organise
>> > ourselves. There's a free PDF on the
>> > finance curse here
>> > -http://treasureislands.org/the-finance-curse-my-new-book/
>> <http://treasureislands.org/the-finance-curse-my-new-book/>
>> >
>> > Information systems are potentially
>> a way
>> > to free us from the finance gods
>> without
>> > replacing them by State capitalism.
>> > Currently they give us more reason to
>> > worry about yet more intrusion into
>> our
>> > lives by the powerful. We have
>> problems
>> > conceptualising in areas like this
>> because
>> > terms like "transparency" are both
>> good
>> > and bad.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Saturday, 29 June 2013 21:57:58
>> UTC+1,
>> > archytas wrote:
>> >
>> > If God did not exist � people
>> would
>> > invent one! The development of
>> > human civilization requires
>> mechanisms
>> > promoting cooperation and
>> > social order. One of these
>> mechanisms
>> > is based on the idea that
>> > everything we do is seen and
>> judged by
>> > God � bad deeds will be
>> > punished, while good ones will be
>> > rewarded (or was this Santa?). The
>> > Information Age has
>> > now fueled the dream that God-like
>> > omniscience and omnipotence can
>> > be created by man.
>> >
>> > This is an interesting way of
>> thinking
>> > about information systems - full
>> free
>> > paper at
>> > http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf
>> <http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf>
>> >
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