there is nothing wrong with an AA battery
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:03 PM, James <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't recall reading Heinlein or McLuhan but this reminds me a little of Clan of the Cave Bear in how an air of magic and mystery surrounded the powers of mastery for the neanderthalic characters which Ayla was disruptive of by counting much faster and higher and developing refined throwing weapons. After early childhood it was one of the few fiction books I've read.
My usage of search is a bit odd, I refuse to browse the second page of results, and if I cannot find a clue to refine my question onto the first page I go back to trying to solve the problem myself for a bit. I hope this somehow benefits their algorithms because it can be a bit agressive, I probably do thousands a year like that on top of normal curiosity.
It just sank into my thick cranium, in this case the latent capacities have more opportunity to surface as the barriers (illusory even?) to expressing them are diminished. I like this point but think we are struggling as it is to digest the new world, we are severely restricted in the delivery mechanisms and quality of information, and the means of contributing are badly outmoded. I have been thinking of group behavior from a sensor network standpoint and we seem to behave in a very isolated fashion gravitating around small sets of knowledge rather than deriving schematic or systems level intelligence of cooperation in massive realtime environments. The tech to me is another tool, it could be much more than an opiate or pleasure inducing portal. I have my eye on many of the things Andrew was talking about for micr-participatory interaction with processes and environments, but also knowledge and observations. I make hundreds of tiny ones a day but have nowhere to put them, even the big ones pass like a dust devil. The available wikis and information stores seem more of congregation/aggregation spaces and I have no chance of keeping up with Reddit or the others. What I would like to see is a decentralized information grid with fuzzy atoms of information (perhaps like OWL or semantic markup) and a participatory model better than vote up/down (mostly useless).
I've been debating learning FORTH to pursue my interests in intelligent sensor grids, mainly to get price down under a dollar each and run for a year off a AA battery. My illusion seems to be absence of time and resources. :)
On 7/2/2013 8:53 AM, Molly wrote:
I loved the Robert Heinlein novels as a kid, but I think he finally got around to the meaning of "free" and it had nothing to do with free lunch. He did get to the heart of our trade system, especially emotional trade, as in his treatment of human laughter.<javascript:>
I think Marshall McLuhan would have enjoyed the notion of search engine as god, as I read his "media is the message" as predicting a leap in consciousness when the access to information became immediate - as it is now. God, as the spirit in all of us, becomes the vehicle for change.
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 12:51:01 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
Faith is in the measure of balance, I haven't considered it of much
value until I saw the apple fall many times and by the time it hit
the
ground it hadn't left the branch and I came to understand why I
wouldn't
accept the certainty of things. One door opened and it wasn't one
of the
thousands of thoughts racing around the labyrinth. For me, now that I
know just a tiny bit I am more willing to appreciate the principles
behind the classic apple and TANSTAAFL (which holds few surprises), a
little less bound to patient resignation. The form of my
understanding
may be nonsense but for what it's worth neither position has been
precluded. A subjective position for your consideration.
On 7/1/2013 5:10 AM, Allan H wrote:
> lol heaven is what you make it ..one persons heaven could be
someones
> elses hell and vice verse
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> <mailto:123...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
>
> Heaven and Hell are here only , Allan ,and it is your good
luck if
> you escape the hell and enjoy the heaven.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com<123...@gmail.com <javascript:>
> <mailto:allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
>
> the laws of nature apply whether you know of them or
not, the
> same applies to man's body.. now the only guide line
the soul
> needs to follow is 'do no harm' but that can easily be
> broken.. now when your soul returns to it's natural
realm how
> well it did in its humanize form that is another question..
> you will find out your test results later RP
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:23 AM, RP Singh> <allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>
> <mailto:123...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
>
> Apples were falling to the ground from the beginning ,
> only man took it for granted and never thought that
it was
> following laws of nature until Newton applied his
mind and
> discovered the law of gravity.Similarly , Allan , man's
> will follows laws of Nature all the time but these very
> laws have not yet been discovered by man.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Allan H> <123...@gmail.com <javascript:>
<mailto:allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
>
> RP an apple does not have free will it is bound
to the
> laws of nature.. you ae not bound to these laws
you
> have choice.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:03 PM, RP Singh> <allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>
<mailto:123...@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote:
>
> It is from unconscious Nature that all
proceeds in
> a chain , one leading to another.' Will' is
just
> as free as the apple falling from the tree.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Allan H
> <mailto:allan...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>> <nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>
wrote:
>
> I don't think God knows every thing that
will
> happen.. that would create pre-destiny and
> that would eliminate the nature of free
> will.. Free will is an important part
of this
> exam our souls are involved in by taking
the
> life exam. You have to be able to chose
your
> own solutions to the problems life puts
before
> you.
>
> I do find the computer idea
interesting.. and
> an interesting way of putting it.. as the
> economy .. as for over size institutions..
> well maybe the Canadians have it right
by over
> regulating them.. there economy has not
gone
> through the bubble and bursts that all
of our
> economies have.. the US economy started
the
> down hill slid with Reaganomics and
> deregulating the banks and Markets.. all
that
> did was open the doors for the greedy and
> slimy souls to practice their ideas at the
> expense of the population.. the proper name
> for politicians, bankers and cawyers in
the US
> is "cockroach"
>
> As for new or unique ideas I did see one
the
> other day.. (completely off topic -- yet
watch
> the video)
> http://bgobeyond.com/
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:02 PM, archytas
<mailto:nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>> If God did not exist � people
> wrote:
>
> It is true this idea can't resist your
> initial critique Allan. The
metaphor is a
> bit shaky and we have seen it
before as
> Laplace's Demon and its situation
knowing
> everything that has happened and
> everything that will. The author's
points
> can be found at the link. They aren't
> about god as any of us might consider
> he/she/it.
>
> Students make Francis' point all the
time
> - but they actually don't know 'how to
> google' in any depth. Sites like
Wiki and
> the BBC have given them information
that
> satisfies teachers in schools, but they
> rarely find all the information and
very
> little of the critique. The big mess
> search engines throw up is pretty
banal.
> I'd no doubt produce more hits on a
video
> of Maxwell eating my dentures than a
> listing of the details of my petrol
from
> air machine. I occasionally set
questions
> like 'find the earth's major energy
source
> and critically evaluate the
efficiency of
> the main processes that harness it'
- this
> is a question about the sun and such as
> photosynthesis, but most seem not to
know
> this post-Google.
>
> My own interest in this IT/IS question
> concerns "finance". Finance has
long had
> a god-like quality in my thinking -
if we
> think of the kind of gods that would
turn
> any moral creature to Prometheus.
Most of
> us in here know the plot - we should
build
> safe homes for 2 billion people from
> Tornado Alley, British flood plains
and on
> to Monsoon areas and so on. We should
> take local-global catastrophe seriously
> and even such matters as leaving the
> planet or biological form longer term.
> Instead we have finance acting as an
> unquestioned god on how we organise
> ourselves. There's a free PDF on the
> finance curse here
> -http://treasureislands.org/the-finance-curse-my-new-book/
<http://treasureislands.org/the-finance-curse-my-new-book/>
>
> Information systems are potentially
a way
> to free us from the finance gods
without
> replacing them by State capitalism.
> Currently they give us more reason to
> worry about yet more intrusion into our
> lives by the powerful. We have
problems
> conceptualising in areas like this
because
> terms like "transparency" are both good
> and bad.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 June 2013 21:57:58
UTC+1,
> archytas wrote:
>> God � bad deeds will be
would
> invent one! The development of
> human civilization requires
mechanisms
> promoting cooperation and
> social order. One of these
mechanisms
> is based on the idea that
> everything we do is seen and
judged by> minds-eye+...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
> punished, while good ones will be
> rewarded (or was this Santa?). The
> Information Age has
> now fueled the dream that God-like
> omniscience and omnipotence can
> be created by man.
>
> This is an interesting way of
thinking
> about information systems - full
free
> paper at
> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf
<http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf>
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