Re: Mind's Eye Search Engine As God

The position on life-death cycle is one that I hold in regard as a
necessary aspect, as I have come to it from different angles and
reaccepted it each time, other times it seems irrelevant and cumbersome,
but something similar to RP's stance has been of importance to me
personally. Can we say how another came to a current position, that they
are relaying it in an accessible manner to realize it, or whether their
words have many meanings including perhaps a compromise that the plain
result is all that can be expressed and attempting otherwise a futile
endeavor potentially contaminating the progression of others. Not being
a fan of certainty I must acknowledge that there is a scenario in which
presenting what seems universal, even if seemingly banal, is both noble
and admirable. I have wanted to say this several times but I am too slow
for the sequence of events, it remains my desire to be inspired and
amazed at the simplest of things. Not for 'what' but 'that' they are, in
my catlike trances. Not to judge you Molly, we all need our nudging
along here and there. An appeal to hospitality then, among the state of
nature that is debate and the pursuit of reason. It is hard to speak to
everyone.

On 7/14/2013 6:03 PM, Molly wrote:
> Don't know what you are talking about. Having a bad day? We all do
> now and then.
>
> On Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:41:11 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:
>
> Leave RP alone, if you cannot handle his arguments, is what I say.
> I don't want to see no more Chaswin cases in here.
>
>
> 2013/7/14 Molly <moll...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
>
> You are entitled to your view, everyone is. Hold fast, or
> change, it is up to you. You will get no argument from me.
> Mine seems to change as I am willing to take opportunities
> presented by my experience, explore and integrate. There are
> times when I coast and actively hold the space of who I am -
> in other words, allow. Whether it is the "real stuff" (Jack
> Bruce) or fantasy may be a matter of trust. Trust in self,
> trust in life, trust in God - or any other concept put in its
> place.
>
>
> On Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:33:59 AM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:
>
> There is no life without death, that's a banality. If it's
> being made sound bubblier than it is, it is a cop out. RP
> is right, in duality there are two and in oneness there is
> one. That's the kind of questions that got me going.
>
>
> Am 14.07.2013 um 15:56 schrieb Molly <moll...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Life is both, dual and non-dual. this is the paradox.
>> Google non dual. There is much to read there.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:50:55 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> In duality there are two --the observer and the
>> observed , whereas in the non-dual there is only one.
>> Life by its very nature is dualistic whereas the
>> Source of life is Non-dual.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Molly
>> <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> RP, the fact that you have divided conscious to
>> limited and unconscious to unlimited presents a
>> view steeped in duality, therefore explaining
>> your inability to "see" the eternal in everyday
>> experience consciously. It is possible, but each
>> of us must discover that non dual perspective on
>> his own. Even Max Plank knew that the material
>> was born of consciousness. The long road from
>> the fundamental point of view to the mystical can
>> be a long one. Anthropomorphic Gods who become
>> an external entity judging and playing with his
>> creations make the trans-rational leap
>> impossible. "There is only Brahman" is a mystical
>> point of view. Once fully adopted, it is not
>> possible to again live with a fundamental point
>> of view. The leap from the cause-effect, dual
>> viewpoint to a truly non dual view is implicit
>> with the wisdom and compassion necessary to
>> embrace all forms of life as inherent in one's
>> own. Judgments happen, but become meaningless
>> ultimately, and fall instead into the realm of
>> discernment. When our mind has learned to be
>> quiet, they are no longer necessary and appear
>> more like a pesty fly buzzing by. But as Ash
>> suggests, every step we take along the way is
>> integrated into the last. If not, we will back
>> step and try again.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:36:58 AM UTC-4, RP
>> Singh wrote:
>>
>> The spiritual realm is in this world only ,
>> on death individuals merge into that One ,
>> the only Soul , which by its very nature is
>> in an unconscious state. The conscious is
>> finite and bound by limits whereas the
>> unconscious is infinite and limitless.
>> Universes emanate from that One and in their
>> ends merge into Him.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Allan H
>> <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I needed to go look up words as usual,
>> what seems logical and reasonable to me
>> I am sure it offends others to a great
>> extent, my brother and sister are
>> included there.. they know far more than
>> I do..
>>
>> What I find interesting is words like
>> omnipotence & omniscience .. I some how
>> always have to go back and check their
>> meaning even though I know what they mean
>> and have known for years.. some how I
>> seem to be missing something,, just what
>> I am not sure of.. I believe everything
>> within this universe and other universes
>> are made of of his being or essence (how
>> ever you want to explain it) all souls
>> are part of his being and yet they have
>> total free will ( though I know that is
>> correct it still is something I have yet
>> to totally get my mind wrapped around)
>> There are many ideas and concepts left to
>> explore..
>>
>> Yes I do think if there was no God man
>> would invent one if for no other reason
>> than to pass the blame on to cover their
>> short comings.. Where does this go.. one
>> of the greatest short comings of churches
>> is the lack of willingness to explore the
>> spiritual realm.. It seems comforting
>> lies are far better than the simple
>> truth.. Is God Real "Yes"
>>
>> Oddly I think souls (some) have been
>> around a long time much longer than
>> realized. With the Father image of God as
>> often spoken of since my childhood
>> questions form like "Did our God the
>> Father create the universe to entertain
>> his children?"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:35 PM, James
>> <ashk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> With a little desperation and a
>> little intrigue at the proposition of
>> clarity, not a requirement from where
>> I stand Molly. Ten or twenty years
>> doesn't seem so long ago, the meeting
>> of now with then would have been
>> catastrophic, so I must accept that
>> barriers serve a function even if the
>> lines have seemed arbitrary. I've
>> tried to build a moral spiritual
>> framework that reflects the universe
>> I've been acquainted with and
>> subjected my experiences to endless
>> scrutiny but have had to set it
>> mostly aside in order to operate and
>> function, so the universe comes back
>> one day with an answer. "I have
>> considered your request for clarity
>> in whether you are alone in your
>> experiences and whether you are
>> delusional. Considering your
>> dedication but inability to grasp
>> what a gift your life is, your
>> challenges seen as failures before
>> opportunities, the answer to both is
>> in your favor, as you suspected.
>> However, the form of this is going to
>> hurt, responsibility to finding truth
>> will compound, the stakes just got
>> serious my friend. Lets see you set
>> this aside now, go figure it out.
>> (with a smile)" Guess one gets used
>> to it, I suppose? It probably seems
>> so big because because the questions
>> have dominated my thirty-short
>> existence for the most of it and
>> haven't found much guidance, but I
>> left that enlightented experience
>> chanting a f- word mantra for a bit.
>>
>> Pardon my indulgence. I am interested
>> in this 'paradox' you've been talking
>> about and a few of your
>> insights/experiences and have a
>> couple observations of my own, very
>> open to input. What I meant by 'each
>> within all' is that all of the other
>> aspects are sort of folded up within
>> each where they might be sort of
>> personalities that emerge or an
>> infinitely reflective bubble, it
>> leaves me with the image of a
>> straight line (changeless) at that
>> point and the only relevant
>> difference is my shifting focus (the
>> change). Not sure where to go from
>> there except trying to integrate what
>> views I gain in it into moral
>> guidance (of a sort) without building
>> a fantasy or myths, which have a
>> whole large playground to explore
>> outside this matter or subsumed
>> within. I seem to narrate spatially,
>> hope it translates well. :)
>>
>> I am unsure about spirit and time,
>> and don't have much that I trust to
>> be free of fantasy, and not at all a
>> comparison to other views. But
>> concerning people and time I think we
>> are drawn into or around areas in a
>> subtle mental manner around a range
>> from days to a few weeks. Don't ask
>> how many ranges I've cooked up or
>> how, it's ugly but there is little
>> information out there. :p If there is
>> a reason we are here now I would like
>> to find it, pretty common stuff just
>> weirdified for taste prefs.
>>
>>
>> On 7/13/2013 8:28 AM, Molly wrote:
>>
>> I think, what you describe, Ash,
>> happens all the time at the soul
>> level where we share our soul
>> experience collectively. I have
>> had a few rare experiences in my
>> life where what I share at the
>> soul level I am conscious of.
>> Reason, during those times,
>> operates under a different
>> formula, as mind is engaged but
>> standard forms of logic
>> suspended. The truth as I see it
>> is, we share on that level all
>> the time - beyond the measure of
>> time. Perhaps, we can let go of
>> our finite limitations, or at
>> least not recognize them as
>> restricting in any way, by
>> recognizing both (so
>> paradoxically all) of our aspects.
>>
>> I find this reasonable. I
>> realize that others may not.
>>
>> I had a friend, who passed away
>> one year on my birthday at age
>> 50, who was a genius at bringing
>> others to the realization of what
>> occurs at our shared soul
>> experience. I miss her.
>> Recognizing what comes into your
>> awareness as part of a greater
>> whole can only occur with shared
>> expression. We realize how what
>> we experience fits into the
>> experience of the group when
>> everyone is communicating their
>> view. I think it is one of the
>> reasons this group has remained
>> important to the members. At
>> levels seen and unseen, we
>> continue to share the "real stuff"
>>
>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013
>> 1:34:07 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>
>> Trust seems like a strong
>> barrier to the future of a very open
>> society,
>> even as we write some of us
>> are making a conscious decision
>> to expose
>> vulnerabilities that may be used
>> by some unknown adversary. Just
>> participating in everyday life in
>> the slightest fashion can open more
>> potential dangers or
>> opportunity for it (intentional
>> or not). It is a
>> dilemma that modern society
>> pretends to be ignorant of for
>> performance
>> reasons, but to achieve
>> God-like potential we will have
>> to resolve
>> such
>> security compromises in the
>> technical arena. I like to think
>> within a
>> half century we will be able
>> to link minds for the pursuit of
>> common
>> goals and very rapidly
>> contribute individual capacity
>> for experience,
>> expertise and intuitions
>> (probably in realtime only for
>> that, not
>> stored
>> in any fashion) in groups
>> where multiple vectors can be
>> explored and
>> shared in groups as easily as
>> we can navigate an online
>> strategy game
>> today and coordinate our
>> efforts. For instance if I am
>> struggling
>> with
>> something emotionally my mind
>> could reach out for compatible and
>> experienced individuals to help
>> develop a better comprehension of the
>> problem at a far greater rate
>> than muggling through and possibly
>> dragging it along. I imagine
>> that the rate of communication in
>> that
>> scenario would reduce latency
>> to nearly nil and multiply the
>> cognitive
>> potential of small groups by
>> an unimaginable amount. There is the
>> question of building up to
>> that point and technology is
>> beginning to
>> integrate many facets of the
>> real world in ways that blur the
>> boundary.
>> I would love to experiment
>> with the interfacing portion of the
>> equation!
>>
>> It is very rare that I look
>> to the web for an answer, usually it
>> is for
>> knowledge to use in finding
>> an answer or a better question, less
>> disappointment that way. ;-)
>>
>> On 6/29/2013 4:57 PM,
>> archytas wrote:
>> > If God did not exist �
>> people would invent one! The
>>
>> development of
>> > human civilization requires
>> mechanisms promoting cooperation and
>> > social order. One of these
>> mechanisms is based on the idea that
>> > everything we do is seen
>> and judged by God � bad deeds
>> will be
>>
>> > punished, while good ones
>> will be rewarded (or was this
>> Santa?).
>> The
>> > Information Age has
>> > now fueled the dream that
>> God-like omniscience and
>> omnipotence can
>> > be created by man.
>> >
>> > This is an interesting way
>> of thinking about information
>> systems -
>> > full free paper at
>> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf
>> <http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf>
>>
>> <http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf
>> <http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf>>
>> >
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>> Of course I talk to myself,
>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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