On Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:41:11 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:
--Leave RP alone, if you cannot handle his arguments, is what I say. I don't want to see no more Chaswin cases in here.2013/7/14 Molly <moll...@gmail.com>
You are entitled to your view, everyone is. Hold fast, or change, it is up to you. You will get no argument from me. Mine seems to change as I am willing to take opportunities presented by my experience, explore and integrate. There are times when I coast and actively hold the space of who I am - in other words, allow. Whether it is the "real stuff" (Jack Bruce) or fantasy may be a matter of trust. Trust in self, trust in life, trust in God - or any other concept put in its place.
On Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:33:59 AM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:There is no life without death, that's a banality. If it's being made sound bubblier than it is, it is a cop out. RP is right, in duality there are two and in oneness there is one. That's the kind of questions that got me going.
Life is both, dual and non-dual. this is the paradox. Google non dual. There is much to read there.
On Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:50:55 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:--In duality there are two --the observer and the observed , whereas in the non-dual there is only one. Life by its very nature is dualistic whereas the Source of life is Non-dual.On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:RP, the fact that you have divided conscious to limited and unconscious to unlimited presents a view steeped in duality, therefore explaining your inability to "see" the eternal in everyday experience consciously. It is possible, but each of us must discover that non dual perspective on his own. Even Max Plank knew that the material was born of consciousness. The long road from the fundamental point of view to the mystical can be a long one. Anthropomorphic Gods who become an external entity judging and playing with his creations make the trans-rational leap impossible. "There is only Brahman" is a mystical point of view. Once fully adopted, it is not possible to again live with a fundamental point of view. The leap from the cause-effect, dual viewpoint to a truly non dual view is implicit with the wisdom and compassion necessary to embrace all forms of life as inherent in one's own. Judgments happen, but become meaningless ultimately, and fall instead into the realm of discernment. When our mind has learned to be quiet, they are no longer necessary and appear more like a pesty fly buzzing by. But as Ash suggests, every step we take along the way is integrated into the last. If not, we will back step and try again.
On Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:36:58 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:The spiritual realm is in this world only , on death individuals merge into that One , the only Soul , which by its very nature is in an unconscious state. The conscious is finite and bound by limits whereas the unconscious is infinite and limitless. Universes emanate from that One and in their ends merge into Him.On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:I needed to go look up words as usual, what seems logical and reasonable to me I am sure it offends others to a great extent, my brother and sister are included there.. they know far more than I do..What I find interesting is words like omnipotence & omniscience .. I some how always have to go back and check their meaning even though I know what they mean and have known for years.. some how I seem to be missing something,, just what I am not sure of.. I believe everything within this universe and other universes are made of of his being or essence (how ever you want to explain it) all souls are part of his being and yet they have total free will ( though I know that is correct it still is something I have yet to totally get my mind wrapped around) There are many ideas and concepts left to explore..Yes I do think if there was no God man would invent one if for no other reason than to pass the blame on to cover their short comings.. Where does this go.. one of the greatest short comings of churches is the lack of willingness to explore the spiritual realm.. It seems comforting lies are far better than the simple truth.. Is God Real "Yes"Oddly I think souls (some) have been around a long time much longer than realized. With the Father image of God as often spoken of since my childhood questions form like "Did our God the Father create the universe to entertain his children?"--On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:35 PM, James <ashk...@gmail.com> wrote:
With a little desperation and a little intrigue at the proposition of clarity, not a requirement from where I stand Molly. Ten or twenty years doesn't seem so long ago, the meeting of now with then would have been catastrophic, so I must accept that barriers serve a function even if the lines have seemed arbitrary. I've tried to build a moral spiritual framework that reflects the universe I've been acquainted with and subjected my experiences to endless scrutiny but have had to set it mostly aside in order to operate and function, so the universe comes back one day with an answer. "I have considered your request for clarity in whether you are alone in your experiences and whether you are delusional. Considering your dedication but inability to grasp what a gift your life is, your challenges seen as failures before opportunities, the answer to both is in your favor, as you suspected. However, the form of this is going to hurt, responsibility to finding truth will compound, the stakes just got serious my friend. Lets see you set this aside now, go figure it out. (with a smile)" Guess one gets used to it, I suppose? It probably seems so big because because the questions have dominated my thirty-short existence for the most of it and haven't found much guidance, but I left that enlightented experience chanting a f- word mantra for a bit.
Pardon my indulgence. I am interested in this 'paradox' you've been talking about and a few of your insights/experiences and have a couple observations of my own, very open to input. What I meant by 'each within all' is that all of the other aspects are sort of folded up within each where they might be sort of personalities that emerge or an infinitely reflective bubble, it leaves me with the image of a straight line (changeless) at that point and the only relevant difference is my shifting focus (the change). Not sure where to go from there except trying to integrate what views I gain in it into moral guidance (of a sort) without building a fantasy or myths, which have a whole large playground to explore outside this matter or subsumed within. I seem to narrate spatially, hope it translates well. :)
I am unsure about spirit and time, and don't have much that I trust to be free of fantasy, and not at all a comparison to other views. But concerning people and time I think we are drawn into or around areas in a subtle mental manner around a range from days to a few weeks. Don't ask how many ranges I've cooked up or how, it's ugly but there is little information out there. :p If there is a reason we are here now I would like to find it, pretty common stuff just weirdified for taste prefs.
On 7/13/2013 8:28 AM, Molly wrote:
> If God did not exist � people would invent one! TheI think, what you describe, Ash, happens all the time at the soul level where we share our soul experience collectively. I have had a few rare experiences in my life where what I share at the soul level I am conscious of. Reason, during those times, operates under a different formula, as mind is engaged but standard forms of logic suspended. The truth as I see it is, we share on that level all the time - beyond the measure of time. Perhaps, we can let go of our finite limitations, or at least not recognize them as restricting in any way, by recognizing both (so paradoxically all) of our aspects.
I find this reasonable. I realize that others may not.
I had a friend, who passed away one year on my birthday at age 50, who was a genius at bringing others to the realization of what occurs at our shared soul experience. I miss her. Recognizing what comes into your awareness as part of a greater whole can only occur with shared expression. We realize how what we experience fits into the experience of the group when everyone is communicating their view. I think it is one of the reasons this group has remained important to the members. At levels seen and unseen, we continue to share the "real stuff"
On Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:34:07 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
Trust seems like a strong barrier to the future of a very open
society,
even as we write some of us are making a conscious decision to expose
vulnerabilities that may be used by some unknown adversary. Just
participating in everyday life in the slightest fashion can open more
potential dangers or opportunity for it (intentional or not). It is a
dilemma that modern society pretends to be ignorant of for
performance
reasons, but to achieve God-like potential we will have to resolve
such
security compromises in the technical arena. I like to think within a
half century we will be able to link minds for the pursuit of common
goals and very rapidly contribute individual capacity for experience,
expertise and intuitions (probably in realtime only for that, not
stored
in any fashion) in groups where multiple vectors can be explored and
shared in groups as easily as we can navigate an online strategy game
today and coordinate our efforts. For instance if I am struggling
with
something emotionally my mind could reach out for compatible and
experienced individuals to help develop a better comprehension of the
problem at a far greater rate than muggling through and possibly
dragging it along. I imagine that the rate of communication in that
scenario would reduce latency to nearly nil and multiply the
cognitive
potential of small groups by an unimaginable amount. There is the
question of building up to that point and technology is beginning to
integrate many facets of the real world in ways that blur the
boundary.
I would love to experiment with the interfacing portion of the
equation!
It is very rare that I look to the web for an answer, usually it
is for
knowledge to use in finding an answer or a better question, less
disappointment that way. ;-)
On 6/29/2013 4:57 PM, archytas wrote:> everything we do is seen and judged by God � bad deeds will be
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> now fueled the dream that God-like omniscience and omnipotence can
> be created by man.
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> This is an interesting way of thinking about information systems -
> full free paper at
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf
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