Re: Mind's Eye Re: Quieting the mind

"take us there" with enthusiasm to learn, didn't mean to sound
demanding. Damned self-censorship. ;-)

On 8/28/2013 9:03 PM, James wrote:
> Yes Gabby I had it prominently in mind that when one develops
> discipline against strong influences it becomes important to
> distinguish between inner and outer landscapes. I find that applying
> the mind affirms the heart in this case, and to gain deeper compassion
> as a result is a gift. It is not a liability, it doesn't make us
> weaker but the simplistic rejection of complex human beings with the
> need to be and express against what is can indeed and leads to
> outbursts of futility. There is a choice there in how to direct what
> can become a volatile energy, and acknowledge that actions speak
> louder than words- inaction is easier to undo, but/and.. It is
> difficult to determine what is appropriate to say, I could write for
> months describing details of experience on this tiny thing that fits
> into a few words. Who will speak for everyone? Is there such a
> language? Those are among the most serious questions I know of, no
> games intended.
>
> If I sounded skeptical of Molly's description of the quieting it
> isn't because I disagree with the result but that the process can be
> very difficult and complex. And for what? Do we risk quenching the
> wrong voice? If everything is alive, nothing at rest in a beautiful
> mess succumbing to either reason or madness is just not good enough.
> Funny, I never considered myself a warrior or a poet.
>
> If I am following the discussion well I haven't seen any contradition
> yet in this thread, if you see more then take us there, sorry for my
> vague language.
>
> On 8/28/2013 12:45 PM, Gabby Thiede wrote:
>> I don't know, Molly. It's this language games level again. Which is
>> why I assume Vam wants to take his followers up in the mountains
>> where you have a great view.
>>
>>
>> Am 28.08.2013 um 17:56 schrieb Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com
>> <mailto:mollyb363@gmail.com>>:
>>
>>> I can't event demand my own mind be quiet, it just happens as a
>>> matter of view. We each determine our own views to the grave, and
>>> then, who knows?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:
>>>
>>> I see it that as much as mind is not meant to be
>>> quiet/still/dead, the body is not meant to be quiet/still/dead -
>>> until you are dead. When you practice quieting the mind, the body
>>> asks you quiet the pains also. Ideally you don't forget that when
>>> demanding others to be still.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 27.08.2013 um 04:38 schrieb James <ashk...@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:>>:
>>>
>>> > Congratulations Molly, and hello Amanda. This is a very
>>> flexible way of seeing a quiet mental landscape, 'quiet' is a
>>> good description but is very general. It may sound too simple
>>> when the circumstances include long term stress, tension and
>>> conflict. I have a rough idea that there is a range between
>>> adaptable clarity and what seems to be thoughts/emotions
>>> demanding narrow focus. I mean narrow focus with no discovery or
>>> exploration, those are useful. I suppose being able to navigate
>>> freely and draw on multiple modes of thinking is my ideal
>>> character of clarity, able to focus intensely for periods as
>>> needed but not excessively. But isn't this a chicken or egg? When
>>> struggling with stress disorders, tension headache, tinnitus, or
>>> whatever makes someone's head feel like a full chorus field of
>>> crickets they need strategic intel. The building familiarity and
>>> confidence approach has worked for me (in my scattered approach),
>>> I don't know what part of me said 'dammit, I will beat this' at
>>> times but it has helped to kick start the process if meant
>>> seriously. I've had to cobble together a lot, the books on
>>> psychology seem to only have contraindications for me.
>>> >
>>> > It seems in general that there are contributions to be made
>>> from a wide range of experience, refinements and broadening out
>>> but it can be hard to find where things fit and such a large
>>> variety of human experience.
>>> >
>>> > On 8/23/2013 7:57 AM, Molly wrote:
>>> >> Loss and major life change can be daunting, I have had my
>>> share in recent years, and am facing the loss of my professional
>>> mentor and second mom now. With the recent birth of my first
>>> grandchild, I realize that it is easier to say hello than good
>>> bye, but no less significant. Both can be miraculous.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have heard a quiet mind explained many different ways. Of
>>> course, a functional mind is integral to life, but it does get
>>> carried away with incessant thought, inflated ego, complex
>>> emotion... The best method I have heard for quieting a run away
>>> mind is to notice the quiet space between different thoughts, and
>>> rest there. Once you have rested there, it is not hard to find
>>> again. The longer you stay in the quiet, the easier it is to
>>> sustain. Unnecessary thought begins to fall away naturally. It
>>> isn't anything that can be forced. It requires the ability to
>>> self observe - observe yourself thinking, observe the thoughts,
>>> find the quiet between, observe yourself with a quiet mind
>>> (paradox I know). There is a clear awareness that retains being,
>>> and lets go of becoming is I suppose one way to explain it, not
>>> requiring any kind of mental analysis or function. A
>>> transcendent world opens up that is ineffable. When I can reside
>>> in this view, I can be going about my daily life, don't need to
>>> be quietly meditating. What I have found over the years is, much
>>> of the mental jabber and analysis is not really necessary. I can
>>> listen better when mind is clear and quiet (paradox I know.)
>>> >>
>>> >> It seems to me that most of our mental effort is not
>>> necessary, life goes on and is paradoxically, more interesting.
>>> We excessively use our mental capacities because we are
>>> constantly identifying with our experience as a function of ego.
>>> Once that is quiet, the view is more clear, vital, even sacred
>>> if you can forgive the religious implications of the word.
>>> >>
>>> >> This morning, this is the best description I can give.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Friday, August 23, 2013 12:57:52 AM UTC-4, AmandaRheen wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I am ignorant in this thing despite many conversations with
>>> those
>>> >> who meditate. What does it truly mean to quieten the mind in
>>> >> meditation? Are people talking about language and running
>>> >> commentary? Is it stopping the judgement function and
>>> retaining
>>> >> perception? Does it include quietening imagining or image
>>> making?
>>> >> What about sensation? Is it more about obtaining a
>>> certain Bain
>>> >> wave? In relation to knowing that the mediator has reached
>>> the
>>> >> place they are seeking what is the inclusion and exclusion
>>> criteria?
>>> >>
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