Re: Mind's Eye Re: Freedom

My cat is a goddess.  One needs dogs to maintain the balance of power.  When you put he, she or it together you get hesheorit, the technical term for rocking horse droppings (it works when you say it).

There are questions about whether god has free will.  Once you are good and know everything, what choice is left?  The Hindu urging is not towards fatalism - at least as I understand it in ignorance, trips to Wiki and chats with my mate Lal.  The "saint", of course, is never free to choose, as she suffers no temptation to be bad.  In western philosophy we tend to consider self-mastery (gender again) and rightly ordered appetite as a category of free will discussion - all categories being subject to optimism and pessimism.  

We have a female Bishop in Anglican stuff here.  This is good, yet I see freedom in an absence of bishops.  Freedom is freedom to and freedom from at the same time.  The self is always late in time, weirdly disjointed from it.  Many of our words suffer something similar.losing meaning in over-definition. "Choice" is presumably as aspect of free will, yet what choice is there when there are no alternatives, or false ones of a thousand channels of tat to "choose" from and the off button (maybe to never switch on again?) and chronically corrupt political parties to "vote for".

We can choose to leave the human hive, but do we then survive as human?  The ant and bee die.  Omega pack animals put up with awful treatment rather than be isolated.  What of the slave making free choices?

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 7:55:43 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
True.

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لا القتل، والاغتصاب أو استعباد الآخرين
Do not murder,  rape or enslave others

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From: polly skid <r.freebird@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 20:53
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Freedom

God is a furry kitty....

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 1:20 AM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually I agree with the Hindu belief that every comes from  and returns to the uncreated God (by whatever name you know God the uncreated). It is true everything and everyone is made of the essence of God. That make everything and everyone are interconnected no matter which reality .

Just because you (no matter of how you conceive yourself) are made entirely of the essence of the uncreated God ... it does not make you a god.

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لا القتل، والاغتصاب أو استعباد الآخرين
Do not murder,  rape or enslave others

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From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:15
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Freedom

God is not only in me  He is in everyone and as we are all separate from each other  God becomes He and not me . If God were the innermost being of me
 alone , then he wouldn't be he but me.

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 9:36 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Technically, everything that we do or is done is in the past.  There is no present because of the "uncuttable piece" of time.  No matter how you split a nanosecond it doesn't exist in the present.  You can only measure its passing.

Back to topic:
Predetermination requires structure.  Structure requires absolutes.  The only absolute is entropy.  So all things change. Freedom is only a mental construct based on perception.  I am not free to fly.

I agree that it is up to us to remove negative feelings.  But anger is also a right.  If God is in each of us why do you refer to God as "He"?





On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:36:51 PM UTC-5, RP Singh wrote:
Though everything is predetermined we are completely free. It is up to us to remove negative feelings from our hearts and keep good feelings and emotions , it is up to us to change our attitudes and thinking and act and behave in a rational and humanitarian way. Although God is our innermost Being , He is so also of all of us and thus separate from us as we are all separate from each other , and as such it is our choice to keep faith in him and not lose hope even in the most dire circumstances.

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