religious sects also try to maintain their separateness. I suppose the
problem is agreeing on "ideal" human behavior.
Re "shaman"- I consider northwestern Russia as Asian and believe the
migration theory- but wasn't a witness.
On Jan 21, 8:11 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you saying that the European race (americans
> including) transferring the insanity to the native races.. it sounds like
> you are having a transference problem with behavior.. trying to fit native
> americans into your european mold,, their standards and ideals are not
> european..
>
> example giving blankets with small pox contamination to kill off the
> population.. or have a thanks giving feast to murder the local inhabitants
> so that you can claim their land all in the name of the pilgrims god (thou
> shall not murder except for indians.. shaman is a northern russian
> would,, coming out of Siberia
> Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > America was well schooled by Europe for centuries in the arts of war,
> > greed and general mayhem and screw-ups.
>
> > It's easy to romanticise native peoples until one remembers their
> > wars, territory grabs, human sacrifice, slave labor and cannibalism,
> > etc. so we're back to the drawing board re human behavior, aren't we?
> > I think a major attraction is the simplicity- we think- of native life
> > and self-contained tribes.
>
> > I found "shaman" to be of Asian origin which makes sense with the
> > Northwest Coast Indians. Russia owned AK and along with British and
> > American plunders have a sorry history- esp. the killing of seal
> > babies so their "ladies" back home would not be weighed down with
> > heavier furs.
>
> > On Jan 21, 2:50 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I hope america gets over its shrinking brain syndrome.. some of the
> > > peoples brain must be the size of a pea right now,,(lol ... Must have
> > been
> > > a great prophet in my youth who came up with the term pea brain -- then
> > > researchers saying it would be several hundred years but that we were
> > > headed that direction ) ah the prophets of doom (see i told you so)
>
> > > Shaman is a russian term term and not and indian term it seem they
> > > are classified by what and how they serve the tribe.
>
> > > Yes I agree the US is paying the price for its arrogance (saying that I
> > > know I am talking about myself too).. I hear that liberty for security..
> > > well I think that the US is too blinded by corporate greed and spin to
> > see
> > > the truth.. and they are being spoon feed little by little losing both
> > > their liberty and security;;
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:18 AM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > We are paying dearly for our arrogance Allan, you know what they about
> > > > those who sacrifice liberty for security. Our scientists are
> > > > explaining the fact that our brains are shrinking with reassuring
> > > > statements on progress and efficiency. Just transpose that with Neil's
> > > > position on those terms and the marching rhythm of our cultural myths
> > > > stops dead. I believe a Lakota shaman called Lame Deer put it more
> > > > poetically. There are many things you won't find written, if you
> > > > consider the purpose of the shaman to the tribe it is no surprise, and
> > > > I believe explaining it as ignorance is kinda ironic. ;-)
>
> > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Native american beliefs are earth based and a living world the
> > concept
> > > > of
> > > > > mother earth.. the western based concepts really do not fit any of
> > the
> > > > > developed western ideas and Ideals.
>
> > > > > Within the beliefs there is great power and energy, I have
> > > > > some experience with friends but am at a loss as to explain it. My
> > own
> > > > > experience most are of both sides I think with only a couple being
> > > > clearly
> > > > > one sided. Native american beliefs are really not written down ,
> > nor
> > > > are
> > > > > they for sale, so I have been told.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >> Hello Allan, I don't know much about native American belief system,
> > > > >> but I think that constructing our own belief system is an open ended
> > > > >> process, however, if we don't have a solid frame of reference, our
> > > > >> minds and passions will take us in so many directions and who's to
> > say
> > > > >> what is wrong or right. For me, monotheism is a rational conclusion
> > > > >> for my search for the true faith, supplemented by the multiple
> > > > >> revelations that humans received throughout history. If I didn't
> > have
> > > > >> a religion that I saw fit to follow, I would have probably been
> > simply
> > > > >> a believer in one omniscient and omnipresent God.
>
> > > > >> On 1/15/12, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > Was reading a concept on native american beliefs..
>
> > > > >> > it is strange actually it is rereading the material .... There
> > was a
> > > > >> > reference to to beliefs being born to the land. For some reason
> > that
> > > > >> > triggered a lot of thought.. what would happen the native
> > beliefs are
> > > > >> > correct, and western thought is out of line. It seems that
> > religions
> > > > >> > have
> > > > >> > a whole lot to do with rules and regulations and control of
> > others.
>
> > > > >> > Oddly it seems that is a western concept. One I have never known
> > among
> > > > >> > my
> > > > >> > native american friends,
> > > > >> > Allan
>
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > (
> > > > >> > )
> > > > >> > |_D Allan
>
> > > > >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > (
> > > > > )
> > > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > --
> > > (
> > > )
> > > |_D Allan
>
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> --
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> |_D Allan
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