On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:25 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
No- I was pointing out a small portion of our "conquest". Some
religious sects also try to maintain their separateness. I suppose the
problem is agreeing on "ideal" human behavior.
Well Rigsy
Re "shaman"- I consider northwestern Russia as Asian and believe the
migration theory- but wasn't a witness.
the Russians from the NW part of Russia are commonly known as white Russians and very much part of the White race. (I can not spell the other word). genetically it is one of the genetic splits in the migratory theory.
Allan
On Jan 21, 8:11 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you saying that the European race (americans
> including) transferring the insanity to the native races.. it sounds like
> you are having a transference problem with behavior.. trying to fit native
> americans into your european mold,, their standards and ideals are not
> european..
>
> example giving blankets with small pox contamination to kill off the
> population.. or have a thanks giving feast to murder the local inhabitants
> so that you can claim their land all in the name of the pilgrims god (thou
> shall not murder except for indians.. shaman is a northern russian
> would,, coming out of Siberia
> Allan
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> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > America was well schooled by Europe for centuries in the arts of war,
> > greed and general mayhem and screw-ups.
>
> > It's easy to romanticise native peoples until one remembers their
> > wars, territory grabs, human sacrifice, slave labor and cannibalism,
> > etc. so we're back to the drawing board re human behavior, aren't we?
> > I think a major attraction is the simplicity- we think- of native life
> > and self-contained tribes.
>
> > I found "shaman" to be of Asian origin which makes sense with the
> > Northwest Coast Indians. Russia owned AK and along with British and
> > American plunders have a sorry history- esp. the killing of seal
> > babies so their "ladies" back home would not be weighed down with
> > heavier furs.
>
> > On Jan 21, 2:50 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I hope america gets over its shrinking brain syndrome.. some of the
> > > peoples brain must be the size of a pea right now,,(lol ... Must have
> > been
> > > a great prophet in my youth who came up with the term pea brain -- then
> > > researchers saying it would be several hundred years but that we were
> > > headed that direction ) ah the prophets of doom (see i told you so)
>
> > > Shaman is a russian term term and not and indian term it seem they
> > > are classified by what and how they serve the tribe.
>
> > > Yes I agree the US is paying the price for its arrogance (saying that I
> > > know I am talking about myself too).. I hear that liberty for security..
> > > well I think that the US is too blinded by corporate greed and spin to
> > see
> > > the truth.. and they are being spoon feed little by little losing both
> > > their liberty and security;;
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:18 AM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > We are paying dearly for our arrogance Allan, you know what they about
> > > > those who sacrifice liberty for security. Our scientists are
> > > > explaining the fact that our brains are shrinking with reassuring
> > > > statements on progress and efficiency. Just transpose that with Neil's
> > > > position on those terms and the marching rhythm of our cultural myths
> > > > stops dead. I believe a Lakota shaman called Lame Deer put it more
> > > > poetically. There are many things you won't find written, if you
> > > > consider the purpose of the shaman to the tribe it is no surprise, and
> > > > I believe explaining it as ignorance is kinda ironic. ;-)
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> > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Native american beliefs are earth based and a living world the
> > concept
> > > > of
> > > > > mother earth.. the western based concepts really do not fit any of
> > the
> > > > > developed western ideas and Ideals.
>
> > > > > Within the beliefs there is great power and energy, I have
> > > > > some experience with friends but am at a loss as to explain it. My
> > own
> > > > > experience most are of both sides I think with only a couple being
> > > > clearly
> > > > > one sided. Native american beliefs are really not written down ,
> > nor
> > > > are
> > > > > they for sale, so I have been told.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >> Hello Allan, I don't know much about native American belief system,
> > > > >> but I think that constructing our own belief system is an open ended
> > > > >> process, however, if we don't have a solid frame of reference, our
> > > > >> minds and passions will take us in so many directions and who's to
> > say
> > > > >> what is wrong or right. For me, monotheism is a rational conclusion
> > > > >> for my search for the true faith, supplemented by the multiple
> > > > >> revelations that humans received throughout history. If I didn't
> > have
> > > > >> a religion that I saw fit to follow, I would have probably been
> > simply
> > > > >> a believer in one omniscient and omnipresent God.
>
> > > > >> On 1/15/12, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > Was reading a concept on native american beliefs..
>
> > > > >> > it is strange actually it is rereading the material .... There
> > was a
> > > > >> > reference to to beliefs being born to the land. For some reason
> > that
> > > > >> > triggered a lot of thought.. what would happen the native
> > beliefs are
> > > > >> > correct, and western thought is out of line. It seems that
> > religions
> > > > >> > have
> > > > >> > a whole lot to do with rules and regulations and control of
> > others.
>
> > > > >> > Oddly it seems that is a western concept. One I have never known
> > among
> > > > >> > my
> > > > >> > native american friends,
> > > > >> > Allan
>
> > > > >> > --
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> > > > >> > |_D Allan
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> > > > >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > > > --
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> > > > > )
> > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > )
> > > |_D Allan
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