Can you not give yourself your own meaning and direction in life?
On Jan 6, 12:55 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thinking of God as a person consciously and deliberately creating the
> world is hard to digest, but God as a Force which is unborn ,
> indestructible and eternal from whose very nature the world comes to
> be and evolves on its very own without any deliberate action is easier
> to accept. Again religion as the word of God is hypocrisy , but as a
> product of logic to understand and give meaning and direction to life
> and behavior is acceptable to me.
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> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Religion is speculation - the problems arising for me come at the
> > point of having to profess belief in obvious barking rot in submission
> > to authority. That organised tanernacles of one form or another
> > become corrupt is mirrored in our political systems. Science though
> > is not enough, especially as most people can't do it. There are
> > strong connections between many religious notions of the eternal and
> > science (one can draw a line from Islamic philosophy to Karl Popper's
> > 'world 3' as an example). I don't do religion because the hypocrisy
> > makes me nauseous, but I sense a need for a flow to go with. The
> > intellectual world without this is a very cold and deluded place of
> > rationalisation.
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> > On Jan 5, 7:43 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> II real am glad you are here ,, we always need a little bit of
> >> islam wisdom inserted. It is good to know that one is not alone in ones
> >> thinking ,, I will have to look further into sufi beliefs..
>
> >> I do think that the beliefs that a person is born into is the foundation of
> >> your spiritual life it is up to the individual soul to expand and grow into
> >> their own unique spirituality, As i am writing this I am visualizing wealth
> >> as a form of spirituality.. the major problem with this form of
> >> spirituality is that physical comforts that are so much part
> >> of wealth spirituality do not part of the normal spiritual world.
>
> >> The problem with most mainstream religions is the fact that they are
> >> unable to evolve and all spirituality must evolve. There is a refusal by
> >> all church leadership to change even when that they are teaching is
> >> incorrect and they know it is incorrect.
>
> >> LOL maybe there will be a spiritual variance known as the 'Zombies' (",)
> >> --- NNOTICE ---- I am not promoting another religion or belief system
> >> there are far to many groups of idiots running around already.
> >> Allan
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> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Eman <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I think on some level, we have the same views. The sufis say that ' people
> >> > are in a dream state and when they die, they will wake up'. That view seems
> >> > to be in line with your doubts about 'the reality' of human existence but
> >> > at the end of the day, one needs to achieve a balance between the physical
> >> > which is the realm of free will and struggle to achieve goals, and the
> >> > spiritual which keeps the physical beast on check and allows for deeper
> >> > yearnings and aspirations to also be fulfilled. As for the origin of the
> >> > soul, according to Islam, some will say that it is a bit of the Divine and
> >> > it will eventually return to its origin after death, whereas the 'self' or
> >> > the aspect of personal existence responsible for making choices is the part
> >> > of the human that will be subject to questioning, punishments and rewards.
> >> > Others will not make that distinction.
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> >> > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Eman,, the thought track was just looking at an idea, looking at
> >> >> nothing..
>
> >> >> This group has got me looking at differently than I used to but one of
> >> >> the ideas that has evolved is maybe just the opposite..
>
> >> >> On looking at the concept of being reborn ... I do believe there is a
> >> >> spiritual world and I can not help but wonder if our real "normal " Life
> >> >> a realm that we actually spend most of eternity in is the spiritual realm..
> >> >> Both Islam and christianity place great emphasis on life after death or
> >> >> re;birth.
>
> >> >> There are a great deal of things that never made sense to me,, and
> >> >> questions like what is the origin of the soul maybe it is no longer the
> >> >> origin but rather where was the soul before this life .. . . This
> >> >> leaves me wondering if our soul being part of an on going spiritual life is
> >> >> not our true Life and this (world) physical life is a lifer where we are
> >> >> trying to demonstrate our knowledge of the laws of the universe and how to
> >> >> apply them.
>
> >> >> Then when we die (return to our spiritual life) we examine our physical
> >> >> lives and give account of our actions.. (all of them) memories)
>
> >> >> As I look at this idea it would almost seem we are in a zombie state
> >> >> compared to the spiritual life we normally in. I think i jacked my jaws
> >> >> about this a while back it is churning around in what little brain I have
> >> >> left,
> >> >> Allan
>
> >> >> Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> Thank you Allan for your welcome. When it comes to hard evidence, you're
> >> >>> right, everything exists only in our heads and it could all be an illusion
> >> >>> or a virtual reality of some sort but we've come to accept what we sense as
> >> >>> a reality existing outside of us. I wonder how we made that leap or whether
> >> >>> we're programmed to be trusting of our senses to that exent since basing
> >> >>> our actions on the senses leads to gratification or escaping pain.
>
> >> >>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>>> Welcome Eman I hope I have the name right,
>
> >> >>>> I am tending to agree with you, there are to many incidents and wide
> >> >>>> spread similarities.
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> >> >>>> But as I am writing this that maybe I (we) are all including this
> >> >>>> world are a figment of RP's very furtile brain and when he dies and this
> >> >>>> very creativeness ceases to exist the total universe would cease to exist
> >> >>>> ---- now on the bright side if this is true all of the poverty, hunger,
> >> >>>> will be gone. All the killing going on in the name of power will end..
>
> >> >>>> Hmmm
> >> >>>> Beyond my comprehension or imagitive ability, but if it is true, I as
> >> >>>> part of your collective imagination demand you put an end to it now!!!!
> >> >>>> Imaginary Allan
> >> >>>> Or is that worst nightmare Allan, are you having difficulty deciding
> >> >>>> go to tore local hospital and purchase that excessively costlt treatment,
> >> >>>> doesn't matter as everything ceases to exist
> >> >>>> Then again
> >> >>>> Allan
>
> >> >>>> (What do you expect a 5 in the morning with a storm raging (now cut out
> >> >>>> this storm si I can go to sleep,,--- whoever you are)
>
> >> >> --
> >> >> (
> >> >> )
> >> >> |_D Allan
>
> >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >> --
> >> (
> >> )
> >> |_D Allan
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