environment in the most empathetic way possible and then just going
away. Seems OK to me.
On Jan 5, 11:36 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Religion is speculation - the problems arising for me come at the
> point of having to profess belief in obvious barking rot in submission
> to authority. That organised tanernacles of one form or another
> become corrupt is mirrored in our political systems. Science though
> is not enough, especially as most people can't do it. There are
> strong connections between many religious notions of the eternal and
> science (one can draw a line from Islamic philosophy to Karl Popper's
> 'world 3' as an example). I don't do religion because the hypocrisy
> makes me nauseous, but I sense a need for a flow to go with. The
> intellectual world without this is a very cold and deluded place of
> rationalisation.
>
> On Jan 5, 7:43 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > II real am glad you are here ,, we always need a little bit of
> > islam wisdom inserted. It is good to know that one is not alone in ones
> > thinking ,, I will have to look further into sufi beliefs..
>
> > I do think that the beliefs that a person is born into is the foundation of
> > your spiritual life it is up to the individual soul to expand and grow into
> > their own unique spirituality, As i am writing this I am visualizing wealth
> > as a form of spirituality.. the major problem with this form of
> > spirituality is that physical comforts that are so much part
> > of wealth spirituality do not part of the normal spiritual world.
>
> > The problem with most mainstream religions is the fact that they are
> > unable to evolve and all spirituality must evolve. There is a refusal by
> > all church leadership to change even when that they are teaching is
> > incorrect and they know it is incorrect.
>
> > LOL maybe there will be a spiritual variance known as the 'Zombies' (",)
> > --- NNOTICE ---- I am not promoting another religion or belief system
> > there are far to many groups of idiots running around already.
> > Allan
>
> > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Eman <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I think on some level, we have the same views. The sufis say that ' people
> > > are in a dream state and when they die, they will wake up'. That view seems
> > > to be in line with your doubts about 'the reality' of human existence but
> > > at the end of the day, one needs to achieve a balance between the physical
> > > which is the realm of free will and struggle to achieve goals, and the
> > > spiritual which keeps the physical beast on check and allows for deeper
> > > yearnings and aspirations to also be fulfilled. As for the origin of the
> > > soul, according to Islam, some will say that it is a bit of the Divine and
> > > it will eventually return to its origin after death, whereas the 'self' or
> > > the aspect of personal existence responsible for making choices is the part
> > > of the human that will be subject to questioning, punishments and rewards.
> > > Others will not make that distinction.
>
> > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Eman,, the thought track was just looking at an idea, looking at
> > >> nothing..
>
> > >> This group has got me looking at differently than I used to but one of
> > >> the ideas that has evolved is maybe just the opposite..
>
> > >> On looking at the concept of being reborn ... I do believe there is a
> > >> spiritual world and I can not help but wonder if our real "normal " Life
> > >> a realm that we actually spend most of eternity in is the spiritual realm..
> > >> Both Islam and christianity place great emphasis on life after death or
> > >> re;birth.
>
> > >> There are a great deal of things that never made sense to me,, and
> > >> questions like what is the origin of the soul maybe it is no longer the
> > >> origin but rather where was the soul before this life .. . . This
> > >> leaves me wondering if our soul being part of an on going spiritual life is
> > >> not our true Life and this (world) physical life is a lifer where we are
> > >> trying to demonstrate our knowledge of the laws of the universe and how to
> > >> apply them.
>
> > >> Then when we die (return to our spiritual life) we examine our physical
> > >> lives and give account of our actions.. (all of them) memories)
>
> > >> As I look at this idea it would almost seem we are in a zombie state
> > >> compared to the spiritual life we normally in. I think i jacked my jaws
> > >> about this a while back it is churning around in what little brain I have
> > >> left,
> > >> Allan
>
> > >> Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> Thank you Allan for your welcome. When it comes to hard evidence, you're
> > >>> right, everything exists only in our heads and it could all be an illusion
> > >>> or a virtual reality of some sort but we've come to accept what we sense as
> > >>> a reality existing outside of us. I wonder how we made that leap or whether
> > >>> we're programmed to be trusting of our senses to that exent since basing
> > >>> our actions on the senses leads to gratification or escaping pain.
>
> > >>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Welcome Eman I hope I have the name right,
>
> > >>>> I am tending to agree with you, there are to many incidents and wide
> > >>>> spread similarities.
>
> > >>>> But as I am writing this that maybe I (we) are all including this
> > >>>> world are a figment of RP's very furtile brain and when he dies and this
> > >>>> very creativeness ceases to exist the total universe would cease to exist
> > >>>> ---- now on the bright side if this is true all of the poverty, hunger,
> > >>>> will be gone. All the killing going on in the name of power will end..
>
> > >>>> Hmmm
> > >>>> Beyond my comprehension or imagitive ability, but if it is true, I as
> > >>>> part of your collective imagination demand you put an end to it now!!!!
> > >>>> Imaginary Allan
> > >>>> Or is that worst nightmare Allan, are you having difficulty deciding
> > >>>> go to tore local hospital and purchase that excessively costlt treatment,
> > >>>> doesn't matter as everything ceases to exist
> > >>>> Then again
> > >>>> Allan
>
> > >>>> (What do you expect a 5 in the morning with a storm raging (now cut out
> > >>>> this storm si I can go to sleep,,--- whoever you are)
>
> > >> --
> > >> (
> > >> )
> > >> |_D Allan
>
> > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
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