welcoming sect. I spent many hours in your temples.
Thanks.
On Jan 6, 1:36 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Indeed, there is much about the world that seems counter intuitive.
> What this means though in reality is that we simply do not yet have
> full knowledge of whatever it is that seems so.
>
> I think that there are many tools to knowledge, personally although I
> may disagree with some, I have not the hubris to declare that this
> tool or that tool is invalid. However having just said that, we all
> know the old adage 'the right tool for the job'.
>
> Spirituality is, as per my understanding, a subset of ideas on the
> metaphysical, it being an idea takes place in the brain, that is all
> that I am really saying.
>
> As to souls, well although I certainly believe in such a thing, I am
> at a loss as to explain exactly what it is or where it resides. The
> best I can do on that is make a distinction between 'matter' and
> 'spirit'. Matter is all that is and spirit is that which exists but
> is not composed of matter.
>
> I often explain it thusly.
>
> Before the beginning there existed only God, God in spirit. Until God
> created the creation from the 'body' (read spirit) of God's self. Lo
> matter was created, but being that matter was created from spirit, all
> matter is imbued with spirit.
>
> We Sikhs say that God is a part of yet apart from the creation, the
> above is the way I both understand what this means and rationalise it
> to myself. Is it correct? Meh, I dunno, it is though what I believe.
>
> To me science is just a tool that we use to understand the mechanics
> of the creation. I don't see that religious faith and science clash
> at all, nope if viewed rationally we can see that they complement each
> other.
>
> On Jan 5, 2:52 am, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thank you Lee. I appreciate your response. I guess the question of 'the
> > soul', if you will, is only one aspect of an entire worldview and one has
> > to be true to one's beliefs that are accrued throughout reflection
> > on one's life and experience. To me, contemporary science seems to
> > be revealing very mysterious and counter intuitive aspects of existence
> > that make the metaphysical more plausible today than in the previous
> > centuries. The hidden dimensions, the principle of uncertainty,
> > entanglement, arbitrariness of time and the very place of human
> > consciousness in all that signify a level of complexity that is irreducible
> > to mechanistic functions alone.
>
> > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > A huge welcome from me too Eman. I'm afraid that I shall be the voice
> > > of dissent (just for a change) and agree with RP. All that you are
> > > takes place in the old grey matter, when that no longer functions the
> > > person is truly gone. All thoughts and feelings take place in the
> > > brain, and what is spirituality if not an amalgamation of thoughts and
> > > feelings?
>
> > > On Jan 4, 1:41 pm, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Thank you Archytas for your welcome. Such non physical phenomena are
> > > hard
> > > > to prove experimentally by definition but there is no need to disregard
> > > > all possibilities of existence outside the physical realm. I personally
> > > > believe in dreams as a possible connection between the worlds of the
> > > living
> > > > and the dead, I also believe in telepathy and think that the quantum
> > > > principle of entanglement can apply to humans in someways, and I see
> > > death
> > > > as a transition between two states rather than the end of personal
> > > > existence, thinking again that once we come to life, we won't end but
> > > > transform and the data that make up our individuality lingers on in one
> > > > form or another. But then again, these are only my beliefs. This universe
> > > > is full of mysteries that we are just beginning to explore, and I think
> > > we
> > > > need to approach such mystery with openness to all possibilities.
>
> > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:26 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I agree Abdulla - welcome as a member of the group. Many scientists
> > > > > think an information world or third realm (of thought) exists. I have
> > > > > always tended to agree with RP on human responsibilities but am not so
> > > > > sure on this. I must say I doubt a lot of the evidence you suggest,
> > > > > but I'd still like to see more focus on spirituality in practice (even
> > > > > as an atheist - or at least agnostic).
>
> > > > > On Jan 3, 6:05 pm, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I tend to disagree as there is absolutely no proof that human
> > > > > > consciousness, let alone spirituality, is merely a function of gray
> > > > > matter.
> > > > > > Many will argue that humans leave an invisible imprint on the
> > > universe
> > > > > that
> > > > > > is felt after their physical death. Near Death experiences,
> > > communicating
> > > > > > information to the living by means of dreams, and other similar
> > > phenomena
> > > > > > that, although not captured by science, have been repeatedly
> > > reported> I
> > > > > > think that reducing spirituality to a physical fuction is a
> > > disservice to
> > > > > > science which has been able to point out the reductionist fallacies
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > areas of quantum physics and cosmology. There is still much to be
> > > > > explored
> > > > > > when it comes to one of the most complex aspects of existence, i.e,
> > > human
> > > > > > consciousness and spiritual transcendence.
>
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:42 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > The conscious-active individuality is an attribute of a living
> > > > > > > organism. When the life of an organism snuffs out, the attribute
> > > > > > > vanishes. Spirituality is tied to the physicality of an organism
> > > as it
> > > > > > > is the gray-matter in the head which determines spiritual activity.- Hide quoted text -
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