Re: Mind's Eye Re: Good and bad

I have a feeling you are being charitable with me gabby (cringe). What
you say makes sense, and should add that the intent I refer to is in
excess of that needed for mere gene survival fitness. In that sense I
consider the adaptations as simulations and the excess as breaking the
barriers of meta-simulation, or in another way, not just running within
time but operating on it by taking advantage of the rules and finding
ways to bend them. Now it is my turn to ask, does that make sense [to
anyone]?

On 3/20/2013 3:01 AM, gabbydott wrote:
> I don't know if this is good or bad, but i hear that you haven't just
> heard about mirror neurons, that this is a relatively consciously made
> up construct, a construct with intent or purpose. Also it sounds
> strange when you say that this neurological mechanism is strange (to
> you). That's where my "parallel mirror neurons" come into play, i
> compare what you say with what i have heard you saying before and add
> the info as well as my judgement on what you say to my internal
> "Virtualization" of you. The leap is more of a constant exercise of
> differentiating between you and me while operating on the
> virtualization of each participant, so to speak. Does that somehow
> make sense to you?
>
> Of course, I could go back to the group website and search for the
> real data on what you have been saying on neurological mechanisms. But
> this would be a completely new project. I'd have to go back and
> construct a new image with my knowledge of now.
>
> But since you are still alive and still communicating, I find it much
> easier and more purposeful to keep on listening to what you say, to
> respond to it, and to rely on you saying, if you disagree. Not a good
> position for me to be in, more of a survival strategy. Now that's
> worth a leap into rethinking mode. ;)
>
>
> 2013/3/20 James <ashkashal@gmail.com <mailto:ashkashal@gmail.com>>
>
> My response was mostly a parallel narrative, my thinking on a
> personal level is when does a system of components transcend the
> boudaries of automata and begin to engage in the operations of
> intent. Where does gene fitness adaptation break loose into
> something perceiving, interacting, understanding and mastering? I
> have heard that our ability to reflect and interact on an intimate
> level arises from a strange neurological mechanism called mirror
> neurons. If this is something like the virtualization technologies
> we have been building in technology then with a bit more scale and
> pondering our science may make the leap logarithmically.
>
>
> On 3/18/2013 8:15 PM, James wrote:
>
> I see this sometimes too Andrew, and we learn how our internal
> systems and culture drive and shape us, so we can create. We
> model from the simplest sensory stimuli on to reflections on
> the nature of our existence and what could be in a
> simultaneous simulation of reality. Our world can be full of
> intent, or I should say we experience it thus due to our
> capacity arising from our nature and drawing parables in the
> mist. It makes me wonder how many levels of abstraction,
> simulation and foresight are necessary to represent the human
> element. That minds like ours are derived from nature is
> astonishing and awe inspiring, that we reach so far and yet
> innocence is so fragile, the experience of awareness is far
> from today's science I think. Our synthetic counterparts or
> robots will have to wait.
>
> On 3/13/2013 5:35 AM, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> Perhaps we are born into a world filled with negative
> aspects rather than positive aspects so as to give us a
> direction. We are born small so that we can grow. We are
> born ignorant so that we could know. We are born with
> negative aspects so that we could acquire positive ones.
>
> On Monday, January 28, 2013 12:11:39 PM UTC+1, andrew
> vecsey wrote:
>
> Why do so many of us remember negative feelings easier
> than
> positive ones. Pain over pleasure. Bad news over good
> news. Why
> does "bad" overshadow "good", immorality over
> morality, despair
> over hope, pessimism over optimism. Why does hate
> appear to be
> more powerful than love? Why is greed louder than
> generosity. Why
> is destruction of war so much faster than the building
> power of
> peace. Why can one little lie destroy a lifetime of
> trust. Why are
> lies more influential than truth. It all seems so one
> sided. Why
> is that?
>
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