If I had to write humor it would be a awful dull world.
Allan
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:06 AM, James <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not that I am a connoisseur but in passing a few comedies have surprised me.
> It usually seems to start with a few belly laughs, and people either get
> keen to leadups or just get belly laughs to the end. The keen part is an art
> progression escalating an emotional scale, but induces anxiety with delayed
> gratification as musical compositions do though a diverse range. A good few
> left me silent for a few moments after in awe and respect. Satire comes in
> when you laugh while everyone is quiet and are silent or chuckle while they
> laugh. That is a quixotic moment.
>
> The only character name I can recall enjoying picking apart and knowing
> every move and trait a bit in advance was Collier in The 4400 series. With
> understanding and compassion but harsh criticism on flaws (not plot but
> character). Sorry, it wasn't a comedy, officially. I queried my memory banks
> and that was the only result, I try not to query too often because it dumps
> trash into my I/O and that takes six hours of debugging to settle out or
> else it'll be shits and shakes next morn. It's okay to laugh. :p
>
> In regard to oneself, if you know better it is best not to laugh because the
> rest is waiting. Objectively it is ridicule, but this exposes the observer
> to vulnerability too.
> -
> p.s. methinks!
>
>
> On 11/30/2012 10:04 PM, archytas wrote:
>>
>> Me too Molly - I wonder what the term 'I didn't know whether to laugh
>> or cry' means?
>>
>> On 1 Dec, 00:06, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> would much rather be laughing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 30, 2012 6:29:50 AM UTC-5, andrew vecsey wrote:
>>>
>>>> What In find interesting is how it is almost impossible to see the
>>>> physical difference of someone laughing his head off and someone crying
>>>> his
>>>> heart out. Both are a result of a sudden unexpected disclosure of
>>>> truth..
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:51:00 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> While there is only speculation about how humor developed in early
>>>>> humans, we know that by the 6th century BCE the Greeks had
>>>>> institutionalized it in the ritual known as comedy, and that it was
>>>>> performed with a contrasting dramatic form known as tragedy. Both were
>>>>> based on the violation of mental patterns and expectations, and in
>>>>> both the world is a tangle of conflicting systems where humans live in
>>>>> the shadow of failure, folly, and death. Like tragedy, comedy
>>>>> represents life as full of tension, danger, and struggle, with success
>>>>> or failure often depending on chance factors. Where they differ is in
>>>>> the responses of the lead characters to life's incongruities.
>>>>> Identifying with these characters, audiences at comedies and tragedies
>>>>> have contrasting responses to events in the dramas. And because these
>>>>> responses carry over to similar situations in life, comedy and tragedy
>>>>> embody contrasting responses to the incongruities in life.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Tragedy valorizes serious, emotional engagement with life's problems,
>>>>> even struggle to the death. Along with epic, it is part of the Western
>>>>> heroic tradition that extols ideals, the willingness to fight for
>>>>> them, and honor. The tragic ethos is linked to patriarchy and
>>>>> militarism—many of its heroes are kings and conquerors—and it
>>>>> valorizes what Conrad Hyers (1996) calls Warrior Virtues—blind
>>>>> obedience, the willingness to kill or die on command, unquestioning
>>>>> loyalty, single-mindedness, resoluteness of purpose, and pride.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Comedy, by contrast, embodies an anti-heroic, pragmatic attitude
>>>>> toward life's incongruities. From Aristophanes' Lysistrata to Charlie
>>>>> Chaplin's The Great Dictator to Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11,
>>>>> comedy has mocked the irrationality of militarism and blind respect
>>>>> for authority. Its own methods of handling conflict include deal-
>>>>> making, trickery, getting an enemy drunk, and running away. As the
>>>>> Irish saying goes, you're only a coward for a moment, but you're dead
>>>>> for the rest of your life. In place of Warrior Virtues, it extols
>>>>> critical thinking, cleverness, adaptability, and an appreciation of
>>>>> physical pleasures like eating, drinking, and sex.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Much humour is cruel - but try and read cruelty in to 'Doctor, doctor,
>>>>> I've lost an electron'. 'Are you sure'? 'Yes, I'm positive'.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> What do we think humour is?
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
>
--
(
)
|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
--
Not that I am a connoisseur but in passing a few comedies have surprised
me. It usually seems to start with a few belly laughs, and people either
get keen to leadups or just get belly laughs to the end. The keen part
is an art progression escalating an emotional scale, but induces anxiety
with delayed gratification as musical compositions do though a diverse
range. A good few left me silent for a few moments after in awe and
respect. Satire comes in when you laugh while everyone is quiet and are
silent or chuckle while they laugh. That is a quixotic moment.
The only character name I can recall enjoying picking apart and knowing
every move and trait a bit in advance was Collier in The 4400 series.
With understanding and compassion but harsh criticism on flaws (not plot
but character). Sorry, it wasn't a comedy, officially. I queried my
memory banks and that was the only result, I try not to query too often
because it dumps trash into my I/O and that takes six hours of debugging
to settle out or else it'll be shits and shakes next morn. It's okay to
laugh. :p
In regard to oneself, if you know better it is best not to laugh because
the rest is waiting. Objectively it is ridicule, but this exposes the
observer to vulnerability too.
-
p.s. methinks!
On 11/30/2012 10:04 PM, archytas wrote:
> Me too Molly - I wonder what the term 'I didn't know whether to laugh
> or cry' means?
>
> On 1 Dec, 00:06, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> would much rather be laughing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 30, 2012 6:29:50 AM UTC-5, andrew vecsey wrote:
>>
>>> What In find interesting is how it is almost impossible to see the
>>> physical difference of someone laughing his head off and someone crying his
>>> heart out. Both are a result of a sudden unexpected disclosure of truth..
>>
>>> On Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:51:00 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>
>>>> While there is only speculation about how humor developed in early
>>>> humans, we know that by the 6th century BCE the Greeks had
>>>> institutionalized it in the ritual known as comedy, and that it was
>>>> performed with a contrasting dramatic form known as tragedy. Both were
>>>> based on the violation of mental patterns and expectations, and in
>>>> both the world is a tangle of conflicting systems where humans live in
>>>> the shadow of failure, folly, and death. Like tragedy, comedy
>>>> represents life as full of tension, danger, and struggle, with success
>>>> or failure often depending on chance factors. Where they differ is in
>>>> the responses of the lead characters to life's incongruities.
>>>> Identifying with these characters, audiences at comedies and tragedies
>>>> have contrasting responses to events in the dramas. And because these
>>>> responses carry over to similar situations in life, comedy and tragedy
>>>> embody contrasting responses to the incongruities in life.
>>
>>>> Tragedy valorizes serious, emotional engagement with life's problems,
>>>> even struggle to the death. Along with epic, it is part of the Western
>>>> heroic tradition that extols ideals, the willingness to fight for
>>>> them, and honor. The tragic ethos is linked to patriarchy and
>>>> militarism—many of its heroes are kings and conquerors—and it
>>>> valorizes what Conrad Hyers (1996) calls Warrior Virtues—blind
>>>> obedience, the willingness to kill or die on command, unquestioning
>>>> loyalty, single-mindedness, resoluteness of purpose, and pride.
>>
>>>> Comedy, by contrast, embodies an anti-heroic, pragmatic attitude
>>>> toward life's incongruities. From Aristophanes' Lysistrata to Charlie
>>>> Chaplin's The Great Dictator to Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11,
>>>> comedy has mocked the irrationality of militarism and blind respect
>>>> for authority. Its own methods of handling conflict include deal-
>>>> making, trickery, getting an enemy drunk, and running away. As the
>>>> Irish saying goes, you're only a coward for a moment, but you're dead
>>>> for the rest of your life. In place of Warrior Virtues, it extols
>>>> critical thinking, cleverness, adaptability, and an appreciation of
>>>> physical pleasures like eating, drinking, and sex.
>>
>>>> Much humour is cruel - but try and read cruelty in to 'Doctor, doctor,
>>>> I've lost an electron'. 'Are you sure'? 'Yes, I'm positive'.
>>
>>>> What do we think humour is?
>
--
me. It usually seems to start with a few belly laughs, and people either
get keen to leadups or just get belly laughs to the end. The keen part
is an art progression escalating an emotional scale, but induces anxiety
with delayed gratification as musical compositions do though a diverse
range. A good few left me silent for a few moments after in awe and
respect. Satire comes in when you laugh while everyone is quiet and are
silent or chuckle while they laugh. That is a quixotic moment.
The only character name I can recall enjoying picking apart and knowing
every move and trait a bit in advance was Collier in The 4400 series.
With understanding and compassion but harsh criticism on flaws (not plot
but character). Sorry, it wasn't a comedy, officially. I queried my
memory banks and that was the only result, I try not to query too often
because it dumps trash into my I/O and that takes six hours of debugging
to settle out or else it'll be shits and shakes next morn. It's okay to
laugh. :p
In regard to oneself, if you know better it is best not to laugh because
the rest is waiting. Objectively it is ridicule, but this exposes the
observer to vulnerability too.
-
p.s. methinks!
On 11/30/2012 10:04 PM, archytas wrote:
> Me too Molly - I wonder what the term 'I didn't know whether to laugh
> or cry' means?
>
> On 1 Dec, 00:06, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> would much rather be laughing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 30, 2012 6:29:50 AM UTC-5, andrew vecsey wrote:
>>
>>> What In find interesting is how it is almost impossible to see the
>>> physical difference of someone laughing his head off and someone crying his
>>> heart out. Both are a result of a sudden unexpected disclosure of truth..
>>
>>> On Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:51:00 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>
>>>> While there is only speculation about how humor developed in early
>>>> humans, we know that by the 6th century BCE the Greeks had
>>>> institutionalized it in the ritual known as comedy, and that it was
>>>> performed with a contrasting dramatic form known as tragedy. Both were
>>>> based on the violation of mental patterns and expectations, and in
>>>> both the world is a tangle of conflicting systems where humans live in
>>>> the shadow of failure, folly, and death. Like tragedy, comedy
>>>> represents life as full of tension, danger, and struggle, with success
>>>> or failure often depending on chance factors. Where they differ is in
>>>> the responses of the lead characters to life's incongruities.
>>>> Identifying with these characters, audiences at comedies and tragedies
>>>> have contrasting responses to events in the dramas. And because these
>>>> responses carry over to similar situations in life, comedy and tragedy
>>>> embody contrasting responses to the incongruities in life.
>>
>>>> Tragedy valorizes serious, emotional engagement with life's problems,
>>>> even struggle to the death. Along with epic, it is part of the Western
>>>> heroic tradition that extols ideals, the willingness to fight for
>>>> them, and honor. The tragic ethos is linked to patriarchy and
>>>> militarism—many of its heroes are kings and conquerors—and it
>>>> valorizes what Conrad Hyers (1996) calls Warrior Virtues—blind
>>>> obedience, the willingness to kill or die on command, unquestioning
>>>> loyalty, single-mindedness, resoluteness of purpose, and pride.
>>
>>>> Comedy, by contrast, embodies an anti-heroic, pragmatic attitude
>>>> toward life's incongruities. From Aristophanes' Lysistrata to Charlie
>>>> Chaplin's The Great Dictator to Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11,
>>>> comedy has mocked the irrationality of militarism and blind respect
>>>> for authority. Its own methods of handling conflict include deal-
>>>> making, trickery, getting an enemy drunk, and running away. As the
>>>> Irish saying goes, you're only a coward for a moment, but you're dead
>>>> for the rest of your life. In place of Warrior Virtues, it extols
>>>> critical thinking, cleverness, adaptability, and an appreciation of
>>>> physical pleasures like eating, drinking, and sex.
>>
>>>> Much humour is cruel - but try and read cruelty in to 'Doctor, doctor,
>>>> I've lost an electron'. 'Are you sure'? 'Yes, I'm positive'.
>>
>>>> What do we think humour is?
>
--
Me too Molly - I wonder what the term 'I didn't know whether to laugh
or cry' means?
On 1 Dec, 00:06, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> would much rather be laughing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 30, 2012 6:29:50 AM UTC-5, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> > What In find interesting is how it is almost impossible to see the
> > physical difference of someone laughing his head off and someone crying his
> > heart out. Both are a result of a sudden unexpected disclosure of truth..
>
> > On Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:51:00 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>
> >> While there is only speculation about how humor developed in early
> >> humans, we know that by the 6th century BCE the Greeks had
> >> institutionalized it in the ritual known as comedy, and that it was
> >> performed with a contrasting dramatic form known as tragedy. Both were
> >> based on the violation of mental patterns and expectations, and in
> >> both the world is a tangle of conflicting systems where humans live in
> >> the shadow of failure, folly, and death. Like tragedy, comedy
> >> represents life as full of tension, danger, and struggle, with success
> >> or failure often depending on chance factors. Where they differ is in
> >> the responses of the lead characters to life's incongruities.
> >> Identifying with these characters, audiences at comedies and tragedies
> >> have contrasting responses to events in the dramas. And because these
> >> responses carry over to similar situations in life, comedy and tragedy
> >> embody contrasting responses to the incongruities in life.
>
> >> Tragedy valorizes serious, emotional engagement with life's problems,
> >> even struggle to the death. Along with epic, it is part of the Western
> >> heroic tradition that extols ideals, the willingness to fight for
> >> them, and honor. The tragic ethos is linked to patriarchy and
> >> militarism—many of its heroes are kings and conquerors—and it
> >> valorizes what Conrad Hyers (1996) calls Warrior Virtues—blind
> >> obedience, the willingness to kill or die on command, unquestioning
> >> loyalty, single-mindedness, resoluteness of purpose, and pride.
>
> >> Comedy, by contrast, embodies an anti-heroic, pragmatic attitude
> >> toward life's incongruities. From Aristophanes' Lysistrata to Charlie
> >> Chaplin's The Great Dictator to Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11,
> >> comedy has mocked the irrationality of militarism and blind respect
> >> for authority. Its own methods of handling conflict include deal-
> >> making, trickery, getting an enemy drunk, and running away. As the
> >> Irish saying goes, you're only a coward for a moment, but you're dead
> >> for the rest of your life. In place of Warrior Virtues, it extols
> >> critical thinking, cleverness, adaptability, and an appreciation of
> >> physical pleasures like eating, drinking, and sex.
>
> >> Much humour is cruel - but try and read cruelty in to 'Doctor, doctor,
> >> I've lost an electron'. 'Are you sure'? 'Yes, I'm positive'.
>
> >> What do we think humour is?
--
or cry' means?
On 1 Dec, 00:06, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> would much rather be laughing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 30, 2012 6:29:50 AM UTC-5, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> > What In find interesting is how it is almost impossible to see the
> > physical difference of someone laughing his head off and someone crying his
> > heart out. Both are a result of a sudden unexpected disclosure of truth..
>
> > On Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:51:00 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>
> >> While there is only speculation about how humor developed in early
> >> humans, we know that by the 6th century BCE the Greeks had
> >> institutionalized it in the ritual known as comedy, and that it was
> >> performed with a contrasting dramatic form known as tragedy. Both were
> >> based on the violation of mental patterns and expectations, and in
> >> both the world is a tangle of conflicting systems where humans live in
> >> the shadow of failure, folly, and death. Like tragedy, comedy
> >> represents life as full of tension, danger, and struggle, with success
> >> or failure often depending on chance factors. Where they differ is in
> >> the responses of the lead characters to life's incongruities.
> >> Identifying with these characters, audiences at comedies and tragedies
> >> have contrasting responses to events in the dramas. And because these
> >> responses carry over to similar situations in life, comedy and tragedy
> >> embody contrasting responses to the incongruities in life.
>
> >> Tragedy valorizes serious, emotional engagement with life's problems,
> >> even struggle to the death. Along with epic, it is part of the Western
> >> heroic tradition that extols ideals, the willingness to fight for
> >> them, and honor. The tragic ethos is linked to patriarchy and
> >> militarism—many of its heroes are kings and conquerors—and it
> >> valorizes what Conrad Hyers (1996) calls Warrior Virtues—blind
> >> obedience, the willingness to kill or die on command, unquestioning
> >> loyalty, single-mindedness, resoluteness of purpose, and pride.
>
> >> Comedy, by contrast, embodies an anti-heroic, pragmatic attitude
> >> toward life's incongruities. From Aristophanes' Lysistrata to Charlie
> >> Chaplin's The Great Dictator to Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11,
> >> comedy has mocked the irrationality of militarism and blind respect
> >> for authority. Its own methods of handling conflict include deal-
> >> making, trickery, getting an enemy drunk, and running away. As the
> >> Irish saying goes, you're only a coward for a moment, but you're dead
> >> for the rest of your life. In place of Warrior Virtues, it extols
> >> critical thinking, cleverness, adaptability, and an appreciation of
> >> physical pleasures like eating, drinking, and sex.
>
> >> Much humour is cruel - but try and read cruelty in to 'Doctor, doctor,
> >> I've lost an electron'. 'Are you sure'? 'Yes, I'm positive'.
>
> >> What do we think humour is?
--
A compelling logic Andrew - but I don't go for much of it!
On 30 Nov, 10:21, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like to add my thoughts and opinions to this very interesting discussion.
> The question of if god the creator would provide limited knowledge....
> could be looked on the following simplified way.... To a machine, designed
> by man, man is god. Man makes his machines with the goal to make them
> superior to himself so as to surpass his own abilities and limitations. The
> software of a machine can be thought of as the soul of the machine. While
> the purpose of machines is to work for man... to be his eyes and ears and
> his hands and feet, with this line of thinking.. the purpose of man is to
> live for god...to experience the physical world for him. When a machine is
> terminated, its accumulated work lives on. When man dies, his accumulated
> experience lives on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > Neil if you were in the position of God.. Would you provide
> > unlimited knowledge to humanity? You have to look at how knowledge
> > has been handled till now. the rules are well known ..I think
> > selfishness is a very dominate trait .. therein lies a problem..
> > Are we discarded as a mistake,, no it may seem that way individuals
> > are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
> > reactions.
>
> > I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
> > is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
> > you see the situation. Now how you respond to your life is your
> > drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
> > determines your status in the great mandala..
>
> > What a person believes is actually of little importance.. How you
> > live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
> > extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
> > Allan
>
> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
> > wrote:
> > > I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
> > > trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
> > > not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
> > > a discarded mistake.
>
> > > On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
> > >> religious beliefs.. that comes down to do souls exist and the
> > >> origine of souls.. My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
> > >> ideas.
> > >> Allan
>
> > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures
> > Allan.
>
> > >> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
> > >> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
> > >> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
> > >> >> interesting comparison:
> > >> >> Allan
>
> > >> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the
> > hive
> > >> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for
> > instance,
> > >> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a
> > butt
> > >> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the
> > location
> > >> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an
> > extraordinary
> > >> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
> > >> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
> > >> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
> > >> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water
> > over
> > >> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft. In
> > >> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for
> > worker
> > >> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current
> > Biology,
> > >> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the
> > abilities
> > >> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
> > >> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
> > >> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose
> > dolphin's
> > >> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker
> > honeybee
> > >> >> > manages.
>
> > >> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
> > >> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
> > >> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The
> > brain of
> > >> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking,"
> > said
> > >> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka
> > and
> > >> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's
> > bumbling
> > >> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was
> > investigating
> > >> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number
> > of
> > >> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
> > >> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that
> > foragers
> > >> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance
> > when
> > >> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
> > >> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
> > >> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
> > >> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons,
> > for
> > >> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match
> > signs
> > >> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not
> > just
> > >> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
> > >> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
>
> > >> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am
> > not
> > >> >> > sure mice are so discriminating! Old cops would appear a couple
> > of
> > >> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
> > >> >> > sentences were coming to an end. My scientist colleagues nearly
> > all
> > >> >> > resent not being into enquiry. The experiments with mice involve
> > >> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in
> > tissues
> > >> >> > surrounding neurons.
>
> > >> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing
> > what it
> > >> >> >> said on the tin at the launch! I shall go back.
>
> > >> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'.
> > Seen
> > >> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests
> > overlap.
> > >> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind
> > spinning.
> > >> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
> > >> >> >> rational discussion. Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
> > >> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8! It
> > now
> > >> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
>
> > >> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write
> > this!) to
> > >> >> >> let news spin.
>
> > >> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp
> > which
> > >> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest,
> > dendrites to
> > >> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two
> > grains of
> > >> >> >> > sand.
>
> > >> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their
> > Architecture
>
> >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm
>
> > >> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned
> > working in
> > >> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40
> > years ago
> > >> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be
> > available
> > >> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
>
> > >> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the
> > memex
> > >> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
>
> >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor...
>
> > >> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
>
> > >> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated
> > by wasp
> > >> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago.
>
> > >> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:
> >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a...
>
> > >> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on
> > recognition to keep
> > >> >> >> > the peace, study suggests.
> >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f...
>
> > >> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and
> > a bit
> > >> >> >> > > of splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably
> > with an
> > >> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark). One possibility is that we don't
> > know how
> > >> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially. I
> > rather
> > >> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and
> > other
> > >> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it. Stuff like Skydrive
> > (which
> > >> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices)
>
> ...
>
> read more »
--
On 30 Nov, 10:21, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like to add my thoughts and opinions to this very interesting discussion.
> The question of if god the creator would provide limited knowledge....
> could be looked on the following simplified way.... To a machine, designed
> by man, man is god. Man makes his machines with the goal to make them
> superior to himself so as to surpass his own abilities and limitations. The
> software of a machine can be thought of as the soul of the machine. While
> the purpose of machines is to work for man... to be his eyes and ears and
> his hands and feet, with this line of thinking.. the purpose of man is to
> live for god...to experience the physical world for him. When a machine is
> terminated, its accumulated work lives on. When man dies, his accumulated
> experience lives on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > Neil if you were in the position of God.. Would you provide
> > unlimited knowledge to humanity? You have to look at how knowledge
> > has been handled till now. the rules are well known ..I think
> > selfishness is a very dominate trait .. therein lies a problem..
> > Are we discarded as a mistake,, no it may seem that way individuals
> > are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
> > reactions.
>
> > I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
> > is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
> > you see the situation. Now how you respond to your life is your
> > drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
> > determines your status in the great mandala..
>
> > What a person believes is actually of little importance.. How you
> > live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
> > extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
> > Allan
>
> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
> > wrote:
> > > I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
> > > trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
> > > not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
> > > a discarded mistake.
>
> > > On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
> > >> religious beliefs.. that comes down to do souls exist and the
> > >> origine of souls.. My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
> > >> ideas.
> > >> Allan
>
> > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures
> > Allan.
>
> > >> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
> > >> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
> > >> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
> > >> >> interesting comparison:
> > >> >> Allan
>
> > >> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the
> > hive
> > >> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for
> > instance,
> > >> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a
> > butt
> > >> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the
> > location
> > >> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an
> > extraordinary
> > >> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
> > >> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
> > >> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
> > >> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water
> > over
> > >> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft. In
> > >> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for
> > worker
> > >> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current
> > Biology,
> > >> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the
> > abilities
> > >> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
> > >> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
> > >> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose
> > dolphin's
> > >> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker
> > honeybee
> > >> >> > manages.
>
> > >> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
> > >> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
> > >> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The
> > brain of
> > >> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking,"
> > said
> > >> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka
> > and
> > >> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's
> > bumbling
> > >> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was
> > investigating
> > >> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number
> > of
> > >> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
> > >> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that
> > foragers
> > >> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance
> > when
> > >> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
> > >> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
> > >> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
> > >> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons,
> > for
> > >> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match
> > signs
> > >> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not
> > just
> > >> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
> > >> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
>
> > >> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am
> > not
> > >> >> > sure mice are so discriminating! Old cops would appear a couple
> > of
> > >> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
> > >> >> > sentences were coming to an end. My scientist colleagues nearly
> > all
> > >> >> > resent not being into enquiry. The experiments with mice involve
> > >> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in
> > tissues
> > >> >> > surrounding neurons.
>
> > >> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing
> > what it
> > >> >> >> said on the tin at the launch! I shall go back.
>
> > >> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'.
> > Seen
> > >> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests
> > overlap.
> > >> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind
> > spinning.
> > >> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
> > >> >> >> rational discussion. Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
> > >> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8! It
> > now
> > >> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
>
> > >> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write
> > this!) to
> > >> >> >> let news spin.
>
> > >> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp
> > which
> > >> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest,
> > dendrites to
> > >> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two
> > grains of
> > >> >> >> > sand.
>
> > >> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their
> > Architecture
>
> >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm
>
> > >> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned
> > working in
> > >> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40
> > years ago
> > >> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be
> > available
> > >> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
>
> > >> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the
> > memex
> > >> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
>
> >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor...
>
> > >> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
>
> > >> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated
> > by wasp
> > >> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago.
>
> > >> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:
> >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a...
>
> > >> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on
> > recognition to keep
> > >> >> >> > the peace, study suggests.
> >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f...
>
> > >> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and
> > a bit
> > >> >> >> > > of splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably
> > with an
> > >> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark). One possibility is that we don't
> > know how
> > >> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially. I
> > rather
> > >> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and
> > other
> > >> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it. Stuff like Skydrive
> > (which
> > >> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices)
>
> ...
>
> read more »
--
would much rather be laughing.
On Friday, November 30, 2012 6:29:50 AM UTC-5, andrew vecsey wrote:
On Friday, November 30, 2012 6:29:50 AM UTC-5, andrew vecsey wrote:
What In find interesting is how it is almost impossible to see the physical difference of someone laughing his head off and someone crying his heart out. Both are a result of a sudden unexpected disclosure of truth..--
On Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:51:00 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:While there is only speculation about how humor developed in early
humans, we know that by the 6th century BCE the Greeks had
institutionalized it in the ritual known as comedy, and that it was
performed with a contrasting dramatic form known as tragedy. Both were
based on the violation of mental patterns and expectations, and in
both the world is a tangle of conflicting systems where humans live in
the shadow of failure, folly, and death. Like tragedy, comedy
represents life as full of tension, danger, and struggle, with success
or failure often depending on chance factors. Where they differ is in
the responses of the lead characters to life's incongruities.
Identifying with these characters, audiences at comedies and tragedies
have contrasting responses to events in the dramas. And because these
responses carry over to similar situations in life, comedy and tragedy
embody contrasting responses to the incongruities in life.
Tragedy valorizes serious, emotional engagement with life's problems,
even struggle to the death. Along with epic, it is part of the Western
heroic tradition that extols ideals, the willingness to fight for
them, and honor. The tragic ethos is linked to patriarchy and
militarism—many of its heroes are kings and conquerors—and it
valorizes what Conrad Hyers (1996) calls Warrior Virtues—blind
obedience, the willingness to kill or die on command, unquestioning
loyalty, single-mindedness, resoluteness of purpose, and pride.
Comedy, by contrast, embodies an anti-heroic, pragmatic attitude
toward life's incongruities. From Aristophanes' Lysistrata to Charlie
Chaplin's The Great Dictator to Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11,
comedy has mocked the irrationality of militarism and blind respect
for authority. Its own methods of handling conflict include deal-
making, trickery, getting an enemy drunk, and running away. As the
Irish saying goes, you're only a coward for a moment, but you're dead
for the rest of your life. In place of Warrior Virtues, it extols
critical thinking, cleverness, adaptability, and an appreciation of
physical pleasures like eating, drinking, and sex.
Much humour is cruel - but try and read cruelty in to 'Doctor, doctor,
I've lost an electron'. 'Are you sure'? 'Yes, I'm positive'.
What do we think humour is?
Since this is somewhat on topic has anyone ran across a modern rendition
of the universe speculating our position and the layout? Every time I
look there are irritating answers around such as "there is no center"
and such, never seen a satisfactory attempt at an answer for our
position within the universe (say, as one find it within galactic
clusters, solar systems, etc). A graphic would be really nice, please
share if you've seen one!
On 11/30/2012 1:32 PM, andrew vecsey wrote:
> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy component to it
> because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in them. But I
> could also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like a
> vibration in the fabric of space,
>
> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas wrote:
>
> Heh except of course that when it comes right down to it.energy is
> matter and matter is energy.
> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be
> circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator was
> not matter, but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much
> faster and much easier than building it, it becomes conceivable
> that energy patterns could have evolved in a random chance way
> and finely tuned by selective processes to reach intelligence
> similar to how most scientists believe that patterns of atoms
> and molecules evolved to form intelligent life.
>
> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they
> manipulated atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the
> information required for life and to allow them to evolve on
> their own to complex intelligent beings able to wonder at and
> eventually to solve the riddle of where they came from, where
> they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and purpose could
> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>
> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit
> creation, begging the question of what created that in an
> infinite
> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which
> creation
> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth
> comes closer.
>
> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the
> brain live
> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the
> universe ,but
> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time
> of the
> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and
> nothing else.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas
> <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc.
> We are already
> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind
> could be
> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our
> bodies are
> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new
> substrate could
> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's
> 'hope'. Such
> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and
> be able to re-
> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to
> make. This would
> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such
> intelligence
> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such
> intelligence would
> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human
> or human being
> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to
> live free again.
> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much
> part of our
> > > behaviour now.
> >
> > > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> T9 grrrrrrr
> > >> Allan
> >
> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> > >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott"
> <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe'
> then (my grammar and
> > >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then'
> though)! :)
> >
> > >> > 2012/11/28 James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> >
> > >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be,
> coextensively. Maybe.
> >
> > >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
> >
> > >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for
> immortality and the
> > >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth.
> It is an off-shoot of
> > >> >>> the instinct for survival.
> >
> > >> >>> --
> >
> > >> >> --
> >
> > >> > --
> >
> > > --
>
> --
>
>
>
--
of the universe speculating our position and the layout? Every time I
look there are irritating answers around such as "there is no center"
and such, never seen a satisfactory attempt at an answer for our
position within the universe (say, as one find it within galactic
clusters, solar systems, etc). A graphic would be really nice, please
share if you've seen one!
On 11/30/2012 1:32 PM, andrew vecsey wrote:
> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy component to it
> because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in them. But I
> could also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like a
> vibration in the fabric of space,
>
> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas wrote:
>
> Heh except of course that when it comes right down to it.energy is
> matter and matter is energy.
> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be
> circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator was
> not matter, but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much
> faster and much easier than building it, it becomes conceivable
> that energy patterns could have evolved in a random chance way
> and finely tuned by selective processes to reach intelligence
> similar to how most scientists believe that patterns of atoms
> and molecules evolved to form intelligent life.
>
> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they
> manipulated atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the
> information required for life and to allow them to evolve on
> their own to complex intelligent beings able to wonder at and
> eventually to solve the riddle of where they came from, where
> they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and purpose could
> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>
> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit
> creation, begging the question of what created that in an
> infinite
> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which
> creation
> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth
> comes closer.
>
> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the
> brain live
> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the
> universe ,but
> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time
> of the
> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and
> nothing else.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas
> <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc.
> We are already
> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind
> could be
> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our
> bodies are
> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new
> substrate could
> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's
> 'hope'. Such
> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and
> be able to re-
> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to
> make. This would
> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such
> intelligence
> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such
> intelligence would
> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human
> or human being
> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to
> live free again.
> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much
> part of our
> > > behaviour now.
> >
> > > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> T9 grrrrrrr
> > >> Allan
> >
> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> > >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott"
> <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe'
> then (my grammar and
> > >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then'
> though)! :)
> >
> > >> > 2012/11/28 James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> >
> > >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be,
> coextensively. Maybe.
> >
> > >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
> >
> > >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for
> immortality and the
> > >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth.
> It is an off-shoot of
> > >> >>> the instinct for survival.
> >
> > >> >>> --
> >
> > >> >> --
> >
> > >> > --
> >
> > > --
>
> --
>
>
>
--
Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy component to it because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in them. But I could also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like a vibration in the fabric of space,
On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas wrote:
On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas wrote:
Heh except of course that when it comes right down to it.energy is matter and matter is energy.--
On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote:The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator was not matter, but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster and much easier than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy patterns could have evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by selective processes to reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe that patterns of atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life.
Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they manipulated atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information required for life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex intelligent beings able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where they came from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and purpose could then be given to our fleeting moment of existence.
On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
....... All we have in respect of this is to posit
creation, begging the question of what created that in an infinite
regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which creation
myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth comes closer.
On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain live
> --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe ,but
> ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of the
> universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and nothing else.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We are already
> > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind could be
> > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our bodies are
> > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new substrate could
> > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's 'hope'. Such
> > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be able to re-
> > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to make. This would
> > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such intelligence
> > might invent or even discover - perhaps such intelligence would
> > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human or human being
> > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to live free again.
> > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much part of our
> > behaviour now.
>
> > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> T9 grrrrrrr
> >> Allan
>
> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then (my grammar and
> >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! :)
>
> >> > 2012/11/28 James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>
> >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, coextensively. Maybe.
>
> >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>
> >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for immortality and the
> >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It is an off-shoot of
> >> >>> the instinct for survival.
>
> >> >>> --
>
> >> >> --
>
> >> > --
>
> > --
Heh except of course that when it comes right down to it.energy is matter and matter is energy.
On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote:
On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote:
--The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator was not matter, but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster and much easier than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy patterns could have evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by selective processes to reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe that patterns of atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life.
Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they manipulated atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information required for life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex intelligent beings able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where they came from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and purpose could then be given to our fleeting moment of existence.
On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
....... All we have in respect of this is to posit
creation, begging the question of what created that in an infinite
regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which creation
myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth comes closer.
On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain live
> --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe ,but
> ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of the
> universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and nothing else.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We are already
> > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind could be
> > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our bodies are
> > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new substrate could
> > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's 'hope'. Such
> > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be able to re-
> > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to make. This would
> > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such intelligence
> > might invent or even discover - perhaps such intelligence would
> > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human or human being
> > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to live free again.
> > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much part of our
> > behaviour now.
>
> > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> T9 grrrrrrr
> >> Allan
>
> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then (my grammar and
> >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! :)
>
> >> > 2012/11/28 James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>
> >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, coextensively. Maybe.
>
> >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>
> >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for immortality and the
> >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It is an off-shoot of
> >> >>> the instinct for survival.
>
> >> >>> --
>
> >> >> --
>
> >> > --
>
> > --
who said the original creator had to be either matter or energy..
There is always the third choice :: neither of the above.. Sorry to
disapoint you..
Allan
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:22 PM, andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com> wrote:
> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be circumnavigated by
> the possibility that the original creator was not matter, but energy. Just
> like thinking of anything is much faster and much easier than building it,
> it becomes conceivable that energy patterns could have evolved in a random
> chance way and finely tuned by selective processes to reach intelligence
> similar to how most scientists believe that patterns of atoms and molecules
> evolved to form intelligent life.
>
> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they manipulated atoms to
> desired patterns and forms to code the information required for life and to
> allow them to evolve on their own to complex intelligent beings able to
> wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where they came from, where
> they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and purpose could then be
> given to our fleeting moment of existence.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>
>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit
>> creation, begging the question of what created that in an infinite
>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which creation
>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth comes closer.
>>
>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain live
>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe ,but
>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of the
>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and nothing else.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We are already
>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind could be
>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our bodies are
>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new substrate could
>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's 'hope'. Such
>> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be able to re-
>> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to make. This would
>> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such intelligence
>> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such intelligence would
>> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human or human being
>> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to live free again.
>> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much part of our
>> > > behaviour now.
>> >
>> > > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> T9 grrrrrrr
>> > >> Allan
>> >
>> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>> > >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then (my
>> > >> > grammar and
>> > >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! :)
>> >
>> > >> > 2012/11/28 James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, coextensively. Maybe.
>> >
>> > >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>> >
>> > >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for immortality and
>> > >> >>> the
>> > >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It is an
>> > >> >>> off-shoot of
>> > >> >>> the instinct for survival.
>> >
>> > >> >>> --
>> >
>> > >> >> --
>> >
>> > >> > --
>> >
>> > > --
>
> --
>
>
>
--
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
--
There is always the third choice :: neither of the above.. Sorry to
disapoint you..
Allan
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:22 PM, andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com> wrote:
> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be circumnavigated by
> the possibility that the original creator was not matter, but energy. Just
> like thinking of anything is much faster and much easier than building it,
> it becomes conceivable that energy patterns could have evolved in a random
> chance way and finely tuned by selective processes to reach intelligence
> similar to how most scientists believe that patterns of atoms and molecules
> evolved to form intelligent life.
>
> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they manipulated atoms to
> desired patterns and forms to code the information required for life and to
> allow them to evolve on their own to complex intelligent beings able to
> wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where they came from, where
> they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and purpose could then be
> given to our fleeting moment of existence.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>
>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit
>> creation, begging the question of what created that in an infinite
>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which creation
>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth comes closer.
>>
>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain live
>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe ,but
>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of the
>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and nothing else.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We are already
>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind could be
>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our bodies are
>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new substrate could
>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's 'hope'. Such
>> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be able to re-
>> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to make. This would
>> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such intelligence
>> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such intelligence would
>> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human or human being
>> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to live free again.
>> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much part of our
>> > > behaviour now.
>> >
>> > > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> T9 grrrrrrr
>> > >> Allan
>> >
>> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>> > >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then (my
>> > >> > grammar and
>> > >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! :)
>> >
>> > >> > 2012/11/28 James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, coextensively. Maybe.
>> >
>> > >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>> >
>> > >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for immortality and
>> > >> >>> the
>> > >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It is an
>> > >> >>> off-shoot of
>> > >> >>> the instinct for survival.
>> >
>> > >> >>> --
>> >
>> > >> >> --
>> >
>> > >> > --
>> >
>> > > --
>
> --
>
>
>
--
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
--
What In find interesting is how it is almost impossible to see the physical difference of someone laughing his head off and someone crying his heart out. Both are a result of a sudden unexpected disclosure of truth..
On Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:51:00 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
On Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:51:00 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
While there is only speculation about how humor developed in early--
humans, we know that by the 6th century BCE the Greeks had
institutionalized it in the ritual known as comedy, and that it was
performed with a contrasting dramatic form known as tragedy. Both were
based on the violation of mental patterns and expectations, and in
both the world is a tangle of conflicting systems where humans live in
the shadow of failure, folly, and death. Like tragedy, comedy
represents life as full of tension, danger, and struggle, with success
or failure often depending on chance factors. Where they differ is in
the responses of the lead characters to life's incongruities.
Identifying with these characters, audiences at comedies and tragedies
have contrasting responses to events in the dramas. And because these
responses carry over to similar situations in life, comedy and tragedy
embody contrasting responses to the incongruities in life.
Tragedy valorizes serious, emotional engagement with life's problems,
even struggle to the death. Along with epic, it is part of the Western
heroic tradition that extols ideals, the willingness to fight for
them, and honor. The tragic ethos is linked to patriarchy and
militarism—many of its heroes are kings and conquerors—and it
valorizes what Conrad Hyers (1996) calls Warrior Virtues—blind
obedience, the willingness to kill or die on command, unquestioning
loyalty, single-mindedness, resoluteness of purpose, and pride.
Comedy, by contrast, embodies an anti-heroic, pragmatic attitude
toward life's incongruities. From Aristophanes' Lysistrata to Charlie
Chaplin's The Great Dictator to Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11,
comedy has mocked the irrationality of militarism and blind respect
for authority. Its own methods of handling conflict include deal-
making, trickery, getting an enemy drunk, and running away. As the
Irish saying goes, you're only a coward for a moment, but you're dead
for the rest of your life. In place of Warrior Virtues, it extols
critical thinking, cleverness, adaptability, and an appreciation of
physical pleasures like eating, drinking, and sex.
Much humour is cruel - but try and read cruelty in to 'Doctor, doctor,
I've lost an electron'. 'Are you sure'? 'Yes, I'm positive'.
What do we think humour is?
The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator was not matter, but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster and much easier than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy patterns could have evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by selective processes to reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe that patterns of atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life.
Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they manipulated atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information required for life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex intelligent beings able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where they came from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and purpose could then be given to our fleeting moment of existence.
....... All we have in respect of this is to posit--
creation, begging the question of what created that in an infinite
regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which creation
myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth comes closer.
On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain live
> --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe ,but
> ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of the
> universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and nothing else.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We are already
> > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind could be
> > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our bodies are
> > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new substrate could
> > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's 'hope'. Such
> > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be able to re-
> > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to make. This would
> > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such intelligence
> > might invent or even discover - perhaps such intelligence would
> > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human or human being
> > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to live free again.
> > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much part of our
> > behaviour now.
>
> > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> T9 grrrrrrr
> >> Allan
>
> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then (my grammar and
> >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! :)
>
> >> > 2012/11/28 James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>
> >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, coextensively. Maybe.
>
> >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>
> >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for immortality and the
> >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It is an off-shoot of
> >> >>> the instinct for survival.
>
> >> >>> --
>
> >> >> --
>
> >> > --
>
> > --
I like to add my thoughts and opinions to this very interesting discussion. The question of if god the creator would provide limited knowledge.... could be looked on the following simplified way.... To a machine, designed by man, man is god. Man makes his machines with the goal to make them superior to himself so as to surpass his own abilities and limitations. The software of a machine can be thought of as the soul of the machine. While the purpose of machines is to work for man... to be his eyes and ears and his hands and feet, with this line of thinking.. the purpose of man is to live for god...to experience the physical world for him. When a machine is terminated, its accumulated work lives on. When man dies, his accumulated experience lives on.
On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
Neil if you were in the position of God.. Would you provide--
unlimited knowledge to humanity? You have to look at how knowledge
has been handled till now. the rules are well known ..I think
selfishness is a very dominate trait .. therein lies a problem..
Are we discarded as a mistake,, no it may seem that way individuals
are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
reactions.
I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
you see the situation. Now how you respond to your life is your
drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
determines your status in the great mandala..
What a person believes is actually of little importance.. How you
live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
Allan
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
> trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
> not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
> a discarded mistake.
>
> On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
>> religious beliefs.. that comes down to do souls exist and the
>> origine of souls.. My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
>> ideas.
>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures Allan.
>>
>> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
>> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
>> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
>> >> interesting comparison:
>> >> Allan
>>
>> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the hive
>> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for instance,
>> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a butt
>> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the location
>> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an extraordinary
>> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
>> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
>> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
>> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water over
>> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft. In
>> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for worker
>> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current Biology,
>> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the abilities
>> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
>> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
>> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose dolphin's
>> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker honeybee
>> >> > manages.
>>
>> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
>> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
>> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The brain of
>> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking," said
>> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka and
>> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's bumbling
>> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was investigating
>> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number of
>> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
>> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that foragers
>> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance when
>> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
>> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
>> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
>> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons, for
>> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match signs
>> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not just
>> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
>> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
>>
>> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am not
>> >> > sure mice are so discriminating! Old cops would appear a couple of
>> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
>> >> > sentences were coming to an end. My scientist colleagues nearly all
>> >> > resent not being into enquiry. The experiments with mice involve
>> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in tissues
>> >> > surrounding neurons.
>>
>> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing what it
>> >> >> said on the tin at the launch! I shall go back.
>>
>> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'. Seen
>> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests overlap.
>> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind spinning.
>> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
>> >> >> rational discussion. Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
>> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8! It now
>> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
>>
>> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write this!) to
>> >> >> let news spin.
>>
>> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp which
>> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest, dendrites to
>> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two grains of
>> >> >> > sand.
>>
>> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their Architecture
>> >> >> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738. htm
>>
>> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned working in
>> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40 years ago
>> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be available
>> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
>>
>> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the memex
>> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
>>
>> >> >> >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable- ..knowledge-histor.
>>
>> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
>>
>> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated by wasp
>> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago.
>>
>> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/ 2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a. ..
>>
>> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on recognition to keep
>> >> >> > the peace, study suggests.http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/ 2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f. ..
>>
>> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and a bit
>> >> >> > > of splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably with an
>> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark). One possibility is that we don't know how
>> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially. I rather
>> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and other
>> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it. Stuff like Skydrive (which
>> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices) could be
>> >> >> > > conceived as a thought-cloud in which individuality as we think of it
>> >> >> > > becomes as redundant as the PC once netware works. We may see a
>> >> >> > > network in which all skills are embodied and means of production
>> >> >> > > available to all. In some parts of science we are thinking the
>> >> >> > > machines are up to a lot we don't understand already.
>> >> >> > > More in my own field - we are finding brain changes associated with
>> >> >> > > social isolation. In mice these changes leave the mice uninterested
>> >> >> > > in new mice (the opposite of normal). The brain is much more plastic
>> >> >> > > than most imagine and humanity is changing. On the familiarity thing
>> >> >> > > James, E = mc2 is actually as slightly larger equation including p
>> >> >> > > (momentum) and looks like the right-angled triangle introduced to us
>> >> >> > > in Pythagoras' theorem. I take Deutsch as warning us against Bacon's
>> >> >> > > Idol of the Theatre.
>>
>> >> >> > > On 20 Nov, 04:56, James<ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> Whew Neil, I lack the time to grasp it well, though my instincts tell me
>> >> >> > >> to re-skim Pierce and modal logics to find out why it sounds so
>> >> >> > >> familiar. In my limited view S4 really bites us in the cognitive bias
>> >> >> > >> (meh, posterior) and Deutsche lays that out well on counterfactuals IMO.
>> >> >> > >> Hope I get more time soon to compare his robot with the 3,2,1
>> >> >> > >> configuration in Trikonic geometry (while fresh in memory).
>>
>> >> >> > >> Again, it points me toward a much less dramatic revolution for our
>> >> >> > >> equation (depending on which emotions one prefers), transhumanism one
>> >> >> > >> way or another (good and or bad), a very exciting time in the
>> >> >> > >> anthropocene is it not? :p
>>
>> >> >> > >> Hope all is well everyone!
>> >> >> > >> Best Regards
>>
>> >> >> > >> On 11/16/2012 11:14 AM, archytas wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > >>> arxiv.org/abs/1210.7439
>> >> >> > >>> Should produce David Deutsch's paper free.
>>
>> >> >> > >>> This is a good example of science philosophy trying to shift thinking
>> >> >> > >>> boundaries. There's some physics in it, but probably not enough to
>> >> >> > >>> put off a few readers in here. David works on how science may be
>> >> >> > >>> restricted by our traditional myths of origin - and that we tend to
>> >> >> > >>> posit origins (Big Bang etc.) that may be as unhelpful as god concepts
>> >> >> > >>> to science (as opposed to spiritual discussion).
>>
>> >> >> > >>> He also challenges ideas of mathematical a priori - such as Kant's
>> >> >> > >>> claim to know the geometry of the universe in such a manner.
>>
>> >> >> > >>> The paper is speculative and I read it because I'm tinkering with
>> >> >> > >>> ideas of what economics might be if it was a science. I'm not a
>> >> >> > >>> believer in scientific method beyond tropical fish realism. What has
>> >> >> > >>> always struck me about economics is that it seems the prime reason for
>> >> >> > >>> not doing things because it renders our hopes impossible. A truly
>> >> >> > >>> scientific theory seeks to show us what is possible and what won't
>>
>> ...
>>
>> read more »
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
isn't that what is said in transcendentalism.. the crossing of the
Time space barrier and bringing back new information.. Think I have
kind of believed in that since my early teen years.
Allan
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:28 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Allan - I'm rather fond of you. Our relationship with future
> knowledge may be close to that between us and a deity. Super-
> intelligence may already be around us waiting for us to pass through
> the singularity to 'machine' intelligence. The machine will probably
> be biological.
>
> On 29 Nov, 19:45, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Neil if you were in the position of God.. Would you provide
>> unlimited knowledge to humanity? You have to look at how knowledge
>> has been handled till now. the rules are well known ..I think
>> selfishness is a very dominate trait .. therein lies a problem..
>> Are we discarded as a mistake,, no it may seem that way individuals
>> are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
>> reactions.
>>
>> I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
>> is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
>> you see the situation. Now how you respond to your life is your
>> drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
>> determines your status in the great mandala..
>>
>> What a person believes is actually of little importance.. How you
>> live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
>> extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
>> > trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
>> > not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
>> > a discarded mistake.
>>
>> > On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
>> >> religious beliefs.. that comes down to do souls exist and the
>> >> origine of souls.. My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
>> >> ideas.
>> >> Allan
>>
>> >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures Allan.
>>
>> >> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
>> >> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
>> >> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
>> >> >> interesting comparison:
>> >> >> Allan
>>
>> >> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the hive
>> >> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for instance,
>> >> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a butt
>> >> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the location
>> >> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an extraordinary
>> >> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
>> >> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
>> >> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
>> >> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water over
>> >> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft. In
>> >> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for worker
>> >> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current Biology,
>> >> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the abilities
>> >> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
>> >> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
>> >> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose dolphin's
>> >> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker honeybee
>> >> >> > manages.
>>
>> >> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
>> >> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
>> >> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The brain of
>> >> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking," said
>> >> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka and
>> >> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's bumbling
>> >> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was investigating
>> >> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number of
>> >> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
>> >> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that foragers
>> >> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance when
>> >> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
>> >> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
>> >> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
>> >> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons, for
>> >> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match signs
>> >> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not just
>> >> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
>> >> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
>>
>> >> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am not
>> >> >> > sure mice are so discriminating! Old cops would appear a couple of
>> >> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
>> >> >> > sentences were coming to an end. My scientist colleagues nearly all
>> >> >> > resent not being into enquiry. The experiments with mice involve
>> >> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in tissues
>> >> >> > surrounding neurons.
>>
>> >> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing what it
>> >> >> >> said on the tin at the launch! I shall go back.
>>
>> >> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'. Seen
>> >> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests overlap.
>> >> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind spinning.
>> >> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
>> >> >> >> rational discussion. Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
>> >> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8! It now
>> >> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
>>
>> >> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write this!) to
>> >> >> >> let news spin.
>>
>> >> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp which
>> >> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest, dendrites to
>> >> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two grains of
>> >> >> >> > sand.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their Architecture
>> >> >> >> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm
>>
>> >> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned working in
>> >> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40 years ago
>> >> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be available
>> >> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
>>
>> >> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the memex
>> >> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
>>
>> >> >> >> >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor...
>>
>> >> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
>>
>> >> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated by wasp
>> >> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a...
>>
>> >> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on recognition to keep
>> >> >> >> > the peace, study suggests.http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f...
>>
>> >> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and a bit
>> >> >> >> > > of splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably with an
>> >> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark). One possibility is that we don't know how
>> >> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially. I rather
>> >> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and other
>> >> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it. Stuff like Skydrive (which
>> >> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices) could be
>> >> >> >> > > conceived as a thought-cloud in which individuality as we think of it
>> >> >> >> > > becomes as redundant as the PC once netware works. We may see a
>> >> >> >> > > network in which all skills are embodied and means of production
>> >> >> >> > > available to all. In some parts of science we are thinking the
>> >> >> >> > > machines are up to a lot we don't understand already.
>> >> >> >> > > More in my own field - we are finding brain changes associated with
>> >> >> >> > > social isolation. In mice these changes leave the mice uninterested
>> >> >> >> > > in new mice (the opposite of normal). The brain is much more plastic
>> >> >> >> > > than most imagine and humanity is changing. On the familiarity thing
>> >> >> >> > > James, E = mc2 is actually as slightly larger equation including p
>> >> >> >> > > (momentum) and looks like the right-angled triangle introduced to us
>> >> >> >> > > in Pythagoras' theorem. I take Deutsch as warning us against Bacon's
>> >> >> >> > > Idol of the Theatre.
>>
>> >> >> >> > > On 20 Nov, 04:56, James<ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >> Whew Neil, I lack the time to grasp it well, though my instincts tell me
>> >> >> >> > >> to re-skim Pierce and modal logics to find out why it sounds so
>> >> >> >> > >> familiar. In my limited view S4 really bites us in the cognitive bias
>> >> >> >> > >> (meh, posterior) and Deutsche lays that out well on counterfactuals IMO.
>> >> >> >> > >> Hope I get more time soon to compare his robot with the 3,2,1
>> >> >> >> > >> configuration in Trikonic
>>
>> ...
>>
>> read more »
>
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>
>
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
--
Time space barrier and bringing back new information.. Think I have
kind of believed in that since my early teen years.
Allan
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:28 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Allan - I'm rather fond of you. Our relationship with future
> knowledge may be close to that between us and a deity. Super-
> intelligence may already be around us waiting for us to pass through
> the singularity to 'machine' intelligence. The machine will probably
> be biological.
>
> On 29 Nov, 19:45, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Neil if you were in the position of God.. Would you provide
>> unlimited knowledge to humanity? You have to look at how knowledge
>> has been handled till now. the rules are well known ..I think
>> selfishness is a very dominate trait .. therein lies a problem..
>> Are we discarded as a mistake,, no it may seem that way individuals
>> are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
>> reactions.
>>
>> I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
>> is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
>> you see the situation. Now how you respond to your life is your
>> drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
>> determines your status in the great mandala..
>>
>> What a person believes is actually of little importance.. How you
>> live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
>> extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
>> > trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
>> > not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
>> > a discarded mistake.
>>
>> > On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
>> >> religious beliefs.. that comes down to do souls exist and the
>> >> origine of souls.. My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
>> >> ideas.
>> >> Allan
>>
>> >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures Allan.
>>
>> >> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
>> >> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
>> >> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
>> >> >> interesting comparison:
>> >> >> Allan
>>
>> >> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the hive
>> >> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for instance,
>> >> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a butt
>> >> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the location
>> >> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an extraordinary
>> >> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
>> >> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
>> >> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
>> >> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water over
>> >> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft. In
>> >> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for worker
>> >> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current Biology,
>> >> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the abilities
>> >> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
>> >> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
>> >> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose dolphin's
>> >> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker honeybee
>> >> >> > manages.
>>
>> >> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
>> >> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
>> >> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The brain of
>> >> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking," said
>> >> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka and
>> >> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's bumbling
>> >> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was investigating
>> >> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number of
>> >> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
>> >> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that foragers
>> >> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance when
>> >> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
>> >> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
>> >> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
>> >> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons, for
>> >> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match signs
>> >> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not just
>> >> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
>> >> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
>>
>> >> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am not
>> >> >> > sure mice are so discriminating! Old cops would appear a couple of
>> >> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
>> >> >> > sentences were coming to an end. My scientist colleagues nearly all
>> >> >> > resent not being into enquiry. The experiments with mice involve
>> >> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in tissues
>> >> >> > surrounding neurons.
>>
>> >> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing what it
>> >> >> >> said on the tin at the launch! I shall go back.
>>
>> >> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'. Seen
>> >> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests overlap.
>> >> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind spinning.
>> >> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
>> >> >> >> rational discussion. Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
>> >> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8! It now
>> >> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
>>
>> >> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write this!) to
>> >> >> >> let news spin.
>>
>> >> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp which
>> >> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest, dendrites to
>> >> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two grains of
>> >> >> >> > sand.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their Architecture
>> >> >> >> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm
>>
>> >> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned working in
>> >> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40 years ago
>> >> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be available
>> >> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
>>
>> >> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the memex
>> >> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
>>
>> >> >> >> >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor...
>>
>> >> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
>>
>> >> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated by wasp
>> >> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a...
>>
>> >> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on recognition to keep
>> >> >> >> > the peace, study suggests.http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f...
>>
>> >> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and a bit
>> >> >> >> > > of splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably with an
>> >> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark). One possibility is that we don't know how
>> >> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially. I rather
>> >> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and other
>> >> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it. Stuff like Skydrive (which
>> >> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices) could be
>> >> >> >> > > conceived as a thought-cloud in which individuality as we think of it
>> >> >> >> > > becomes as redundant as the PC once netware works. We may see a
>> >> >> >> > > network in which all skills are embodied and means of production
>> >> >> >> > > available to all. In some parts of science we are thinking the
>> >> >> >> > > machines are up to a lot we don't understand already.
>> >> >> >> > > More in my own field - we are finding brain changes associated with
>> >> >> >> > > social isolation. In mice these changes leave the mice uninterested
>> >> >> >> > > in new mice (the opposite of normal). The brain is much more plastic
>> >> >> >> > > than most imagine and humanity is changing. On the familiarity thing
>> >> >> >> > > James, E = mc2 is actually as slightly larger equation including p
>> >> >> >> > > (momentum) and looks like the right-angled triangle introduced to us
>> >> >> >> > > in Pythagoras' theorem. I take Deutsch as warning us against Bacon's
>> >> >> >> > > Idol of the Theatre.
>>
>> >> >> >> > > On 20 Nov, 04:56, James<ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >> Whew Neil, I lack the time to grasp it well, though my instincts tell me
>> >> >> >> > >> to re-skim Pierce and modal logics to find out why it sounds so
>> >> >> >> > >> familiar. In my limited view S4 really bites us in the cognitive bias
>> >> >> >> > >> (meh, posterior) and Deutsche lays that out well on counterfactuals IMO.
>> >> >> >> > >> Hope I get more time soon to compare his robot with the 3,2,1
>> >> >> >> > >> configuration in Trikonic
>>
>> ...
>>
>> read more »
>
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>
>
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
--
Hrm, I am an instrument perhaps- if the foci have met with a granite
prism! There is hope, it can be transfigured, lets leave the matter of
exertion and opacity for now. Somewhere on a third horizon [perhaps].
The conclusion or misstep would be: Therefore...
an exercise left to the reader, RP must sense the irony (or absurdity)
in this! Hard lessons on love, but I'm getting quite obscure now, and
unworthy of a stone whereon to perch and sing my jay follies. It is a
'Definitely' maybe gabby.
On 11/28/2012 5:38 AM, gabbydott wrote:
> Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then (my grammar and
> spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! :)
>
> 2012/11/28 James <ashkashal@gmail.com <mailto:ashkashal@gmail.com>>
>
> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, coextensively. Maybe.
>
>
> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>
> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for immortality
> and the
> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It is an
> off-shoot of
> the instinct for survival.
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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prism! There is hope, it can be transfigured, lets leave the matter of
exertion and opacity for now. Somewhere on a third horizon [perhaps].
The conclusion or misstep would be: Therefore...
an exercise left to the reader, RP must sense the irony (or absurdity)
in this! Hard lessons on love, but I'm getting quite obscure now, and
unworthy of a stone whereon to perch and sing my jay follies. It is a
'Definitely' maybe gabby.
On 11/28/2012 5:38 AM, gabbydott wrote:
> Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then (my grammar and
> spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! :)
>
> 2012/11/28 James <ashkashal@gmail.com <mailto:ashkashal@gmail.com>>
>
> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, coextensively. Maybe.
>
>
> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>
> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for immortality
> and the
> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It is an
> off-shoot of
> the instinct for survival.
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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Good to know your eyes are better rigs - I'm frustrated by my
inability to do close-up fiddly stuff.
On 30 Nov, 02:56, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ah- Mother Russia. I am close to the end of Anna K.- forgot it was 950
> pp though I've read it twice before- maybe in twenty year intervals so
> the story reads differently each time. Quite possibly the greatest
> novel of all time, I believe. Anyway, my eye is doing well though I
> need another week of drops as the doc missed a tiny speck to remove
> and somehow I've had a "myoptic correction" and my vision is 20/20!
> Speaking of "fellowship" I had an odd call today from some scam artist
> pretending to be my grandson needing money. His voice was a dead
> giveaway to NY or New Jersey as we don't speak like that in the
> midwest. I declined his request and called the police but they weren't
> interested as long as I didn't send money and I guess they have real
> work to do. :-) So this dude craves loot and others crave other things
> and a good deal of human cravings have nothing to do with our
> understanding of god, religion, country, society, art & science, etc.
> Back to the idea of the instinct for survival in spite of the sureness
> of our death, my personal feeling that the best we can do is to try to
> live a moral life as best we can correcting ourselves as we stumble
> and learn and those paths are numerous as one can not fault a monk or
> contemplative, can one?
>
> On Nov 29, 6:39 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > At least you have soul Al - perhaps in the Russian sense. RP is not
> > without in that sense either. It's hard to be inter-subjective about
> > god a a formulation though we seem to crave fellowship.
>
> > On 29 Nov, 23:05, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I doubt I am a great soul, though I have spent years contemplating the idea.
> > > Allan
>
> > > Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> > > On Nov 29, 2012 9:11 PM, "RP Singh" <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Allan , carefully reading all the' trash' that you spew out makes me
> > > > wonder ...maybe you are the greatest soul wrapped in a human body.
>
> > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > My apologies RP, due to what I consider trash I don't waste my time
> > > > > carefully reading what you write..
>
> > > > > Now I am wondering the origin of this vision.. ;o) I am waiting to
> > > > read.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:11 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> me (RP Singh change) Post reply
>
> > > > >> 4/26/10
> > > > >> [Mind's Eye] Re: God and I
>
> > > > >> Consciousness has to do with the senses and the sense-objects. Sight,
> > > > >> hearing, etc. I see a door as grey in colour and at a distance of 25
> > > > >> yards from me, does God see it as grey in colour and at a distance.
> > > > >> No God is immanent in the door, he is the grey colour, he is the
> > > > >> door , he is the distance and he is me ,the observer. God is in
> > > > >> everything and is thus all-pervading , he is in every will and is
> > > > >> therefore the real doer, he is in all beings and non-beings and is
> > > > >> therefore omniscient.
>
> > > > >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> gee I never read any thing by RP saying that God is the totality of
> > > > >>> every thing..
> > > > >>> Allan
>
> > > > >>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>> Heh okay then, RP and myself share the belife that God is the totaliy
> > > > of
> > > > >>>> everything, although we differ on some things we can at least agree
> > > > on this.
>
> > > > >>>> We Sikhs would express it thusly: 'Ik onkar, sat naam' losely
> > > > translated as
> > > > >>>> '1God, true name'. Now True Name, what does that mean? God's name
> > > > is true,
> > > > >>>> or truth? Or perhaps that God is true/truth?
>
> > > > >>>> Personaly I would explain it this way. Before the begining, there
> > > > was only
> > > > >>>> God, but God in spirt, God said (to steal form the Bible) 'Let there
> > > > >>>> be.....' and thus the creation was created. Matter from the spirt of
> > > > God.
> > > > >>>> Thus the totality of the universe is God, the reality is God and the
> > > > truth
> > > > >>>> is God. I heard it expressed just yesterday that God was Anaam
> > > > (Nameless)
> > > > >>>> and by atributing Naam to Godself the creation came into being. Not
> > > > too far
> > > > >>>> removed from the Hindu concept of Om I suppose.
>
> > > > >>>> On Thursday, 29 November 2012 14:53:13 UTC, gabbydott wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>> I would know if it was different, if i understood what you meant,
> > > > Lee!
> > > > >>>>> Circling forwards in loops, arent we?
>
> > > > >>>>> Am 29.11.2012 15:02 schrieb "Lee Douglas" <leerev...@gmail.com>:
>
> > > > >>>> --
>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> (
> > > > >>> )
> > > > >>> |_D Allan
>
> > > > >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > >>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> > > > >>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>
> > > > >>> --
>
> > > > >> --
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > (
> > > > > )
> > > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> > > > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>
> > > > > --
>
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> > - Show quoted text -
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inability to do close-up fiddly stuff.
On 30 Nov, 02:56, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ah- Mother Russia. I am close to the end of Anna K.- forgot it was 950
> pp though I've read it twice before- maybe in twenty year intervals so
> the story reads differently each time. Quite possibly the greatest
> novel of all time, I believe. Anyway, my eye is doing well though I
> need another week of drops as the doc missed a tiny speck to remove
> and somehow I've had a "myoptic correction" and my vision is 20/20!
> Speaking of "fellowship" I had an odd call today from some scam artist
> pretending to be my grandson needing money. His voice was a dead
> giveaway to NY or New Jersey as we don't speak like that in the
> midwest. I declined his request and called the police but they weren't
> interested as long as I didn't send money and I guess they have real
> work to do. :-) So this dude craves loot and others crave other things
> and a good deal of human cravings have nothing to do with our
> understanding of god, religion, country, society, art & science, etc.
> Back to the idea of the instinct for survival in spite of the sureness
> of our death, my personal feeling that the best we can do is to try to
> live a moral life as best we can correcting ourselves as we stumble
> and learn and those paths are numerous as one can not fault a monk or
> contemplative, can one?
>
> On Nov 29, 6:39 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > At least you have soul Al - perhaps in the Russian sense. RP is not
> > without in that sense either. It's hard to be inter-subjective about
> > god a a formulation though we seem to crave fellowship.
>
> > On 29 Nov, 23:05, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I doubt I am a great soul, though I have spent years contemplating the idea.
> > > Allan
>
> > > Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> > > On Nov 29, 2012 9:11 PM, "RP Singh" <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Allan , carefully reading all the' trash' that you spew out makes me
> > > > wonder ...maybe you are the greatest soul wrapped in a human body.
>
> > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > My apologies RP, due to what I consider trash I don't waste my time
> > > > > carefully reading what you write..
>
> > > > > Now I am wondering the origin of this vision.. ;o) I am waiting to
> > > > read.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:11 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> me (RP Singh change) Post reply
>
> > > > >> 4/26/10
> > > > >> [Mind's Eye] Re: God and I
>
> > > > >> Consciousness has to do with the senses and the sense-objects. Sight,
> > > > >> hearing, etc. I see a door as grey in colour and at a distance of 25
> > > > >> yards from me, does God see it as grey in colour and at a distance.
> > > > >> No God is immanent in the door, he is the grey colour, he is the
> > > > >> door , he is the distance and he is me ,the observer. God is in
> > > > >> everything and is thus all-pervading , he is in every will and is
> > > > >> therefore the real doer, he is in all beings and non-beings and is
> > > > >> therefore omniscient.
>
> > > > >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> gee I never read any thing by RP saying that God is the totality of
> > > > >>> every thing..
> > > > >>> Allan
>
> > > > >>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>> Heh okay then, RP and myself share the belife that God is the totaliy
> > > > of
> > > > >>>> everything, although we differ on some things we can at least agree
> > > > on this.
>
> > > > >>>> We Sikhs would express it thusly: 'Ik onkar, sat naam' losely
> > > > translated as
> > > > >>>> '1God, true name'. Now True Name, what does that mean? God's name
> > > > is true,
> > > > >>>> or truth? Or perhaps that God is true/truth?
>
> > > > >>>> Personaly I would explain it this way. Before the begining, there
> > > > was only
> > > > >>>> God, but God in spirt, God said (to steal form the Bible) 'Let there
> > > > >>>> be.....' and thus the creation was created. Matter from the spirt of
> > > > God.
> > > > >>>> Thus the totality of the universe is God, the reality is God and the
> > > > truth
> > > > >>>> is God. I heard it expressed just yesterday that God was Anaam
> > > > (Nameless)
> > > > >>>> and by atributing Naam to Godself the creation came into being. Not
> > > > too far
> > > > >>>> removed from the Hindu concept of Om I suppose.
>
> > > > >>>> On Thursday, 29 November 2012 14:53:13 UTC, gabbydott wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>> I would know if it was different, if i understood what you meant,
> > > > Lee!
> > > > >>>>> Circling forwards in loops, arent we?
>
> > > > >>>>> Am 29.11.2012 15:02 schrieb "Lee Douglas" <leerev...@gmail.com>:
>
> > > > >>>> --
>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> (
> > > > >>> )
> > > > >>> |_D Allan
>
> > > > >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > >>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> > > > >>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>
> > > > >>> --
>
> > > > >> --
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > (
> > > > > )
> > > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> > > > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>
> > > > > --
>
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>
> > - Show quoted text -
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